BMP-2 and BDRM

Army Musician · Post by **Army Musician** » 2007-05-08 08:18

I dont whether this has been suggested before. I dont think it has but here goes. As you know the MEC, is a fictional force, but going into reality, they had a strongish, relationship with the Soviet Union, a.k.a Russia, and during the gulf war of 1992, Iraq had these, even though most were destroyed in the invasion 2003, but in the initial, Iraq did have a few of these vehicles in service, although they are now perhaps destroyed. But IMO there are probably more of them in neighbouring countries, such as Iran.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-08 08:31

I think the problem is that USMC doesn't have a decent IFV in the game right. All we have are APCs. I think the (awesome, mighty, yeah, I know) British have an IFV, so I guess a BMP would be nice counterpart in British vs. MEC maps (do we have those?).

Post by **Cheeseman** » 2007-05-08 08:34

Army Musician wrote:I dont whether this has been suggested before. I dont think it has but here goes. As you know the MEC, is a fictional force, but going into reality, they had a strongish, relationship with the Soviet Union, a.k.a Russia, and during the gulf war of 1992, Iraq had these, even though most were destroyed in the invasion 2003, but in the initial, Iraq did have a few of these vehicles in service, although they are now perhaps destroyed. But IMO there are probably more of them in neighbouring countries, such as Iran.

Only a few problems; MEC’s are suppose to be a fictional Arab coalition force, while Iranians are Persians. You can't have two of them together as Both Arabs and Persians hate each other. Arabs are Sunni Muslims, while Persians although having a mix of different religions, their government is Shiite Muslim based. One last problem in fitting the Iranians into the MEC group would be the language. Persians speak Farsi and NOT Arabic (like the MEC forces). So unless the Devs decide to add the Iranian Revolutionary Army into the game, then don't expect to see any Iranian BMP-2's even if Iran has them.

FYI. There are quite a few neighboring Arab countries which have BMP-2's. These include:
Syria, Sudan, Kuwait, Jordan...

Jedimushroom · Post by **Jedimushroom** » 2007-05-08 15:15

Is it just me or are all Canadian people really knowledgeable aboot the world? ;P

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-05-08 16:51

honestly id let the devs continue with their vision of the MEC forces they know best.
but id really love to see a Soviet style army join the fray later on, but i think thats because i just read Red Storm Rising, and am dribbling over world in Conflict. id would also mean any soviet force introduced would be about 20 years out of date but we can hope can't we.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-08 16:58

daranz wrote:I think the problem is that USMC doesn't have a decent IFV in the game right. All we have are APCs. I think the (awesome, mighty, yeah, I know) British have an IFV, so I guess a BMP would be nice counterpart in British vs. MEC maps (do we have those?).

Why does everything have to have a direct equivelent?

Why cant the MEC have something like the BMP-2 while the USMC will have something equally powerful, but different? Hmmm?

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-08 17:34

Bob_Marley wrote:Why does everything have to have a direct equivelent?

Why cant the MEC have something like the BMP-2 while the USMC will have something equally powerful, but different? Hmmm?

I'm not a fan of balance at all costs, either. The problem is, the current APCs do badly in combat. They're fragile when faced with even light AT, and they're a spawn point, making it desirable for the team to keep them away from the fight. IFVs by definition are supposed to actually provide support to infantrymen after dropping them off. So, do you give one side an APC and a tank, and the other side an IFV. Do you make the armor and healthpoints of both the LAV and BMP similar? Does two IFVs equal one tank? Do you remove the missile launchers from the BMP for the sake of balance?

I'd like to have a BMP, expect I don't know which way to fit it in the game (though it is kinda low, so maybe it could just be wedged in there).

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-05-08 17:57

I thought there might have been plans for a BMP but I'm not bothered, BDRM is enough for Insurgents whilst not being overly powerful.

There are british vs MEC maps (well at least one - airport).

I don't know how often it's done but I've only ever seen Tank HPs being realistic (on ratio) in one game and that was DCX. 1 round from M1 or Challenger takes out T72 (9/10 times) and 3-5 rounds for T72 taking out an M1 or Challenger.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-05-08 18:01

the armor of a t90 is weakness than a m1a2/challenger , however , his cannon is more pawerfull than abrans ,etc.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-05-08 21:04

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:the armor of a t90 is weakness than a m1a2/challenger , however , his cannon is more pawerfull than abrans ,etc.

nice compensation...never knew that.

Army Musician · Post by **Army Musician** » 2007-05-08 21:19

but neither the Abrams or T90 are as good as the Challenger.

Leave it at that, lets get back on topic, before it becomes a country v country thread.

Personally myself, I would like to see the MEC with a BMP.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-08 21:46

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:the armor of a t90 is weakness than a m1a2/challenger , however , his cannon is more pawerfull than abrans ,etc.

The gun is larger (125mm as opposed to 120mm) but I seriously doubt that it out performs NATO DUAPFSDS rounds in the anti tank role.

Army Musician · Post by **Army Musician** » 2007-05-08 21:53

it is only an extra 5mm and when you are talking such a High Volume of explosive, I dont think it will make much difference

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-08 21:54

Don't argue with him about the superiority of our British overlords. He's dangerous.

Longbow* · Post by Longbow* » 2007-05-08 23:26

too much money spent on weapons by both NATO and former USSR ... imo , they are almost equal , on some part better , on some part worse then their counterparts but speaking of vehicles \ jets \ chopers \ small arms from one eneration - very small diference

p/s I'm sick of "our tanks are better" posts and I'm not going to say that our ( russian ) are better then your's ( US , UK and others ) . They both have their + and - ; none is 't3h best'

[T]waylay00 · Post by **[T]waylay00** » 2007-05-09 00:08

Longbow* wrote:p/s I'm sick of "our tanks are better" posts and I'm not going to say that our ( russian ) are better then your's ( US , UK and others ) . They both have their + and - ; none is 't3h best'

+1

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-05-09 02:42

Jedimushroom wrote:Is it just me or are all Canadian people really knowledgeable aboot the world? ;P

not all, but more than some places.

example: Jay Leno's Jay-Walking skit where he walks around and asks people on the street worldly questions, like what continent Egypt is on? 0/4 correct. name 3 European citys, answer: France, Italy. Ok, name 3 European countries, A: London, Paris.

A English Teacher was asked where the Eiffle tower is, she answered... London, um, paris, yea, london, paris!
What purpose was it made? its a electricity tower. yea!
Leno: so it just make power?
A: Yea, life those big things!

I Am No joking, those where real answers by the average LA resident

PS: did you say Aboot on purpose? because that would be a first.

Smitty4212 · Post by **Smitty4212** » 2007-05-09 05:55

I've heard numerous times that "Jaywalking" is staged.

AnRK · Post by **AnRK** » 2007-05-09 14:01

Oh dear god chaos in Canada afoot!

To be honest if the developers are sticking to keeping the US Army and Marines separate in terms of equipment then the least they can do is keep 2 areas of the Middle East that have hated each other for hundreds of years separate.

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-05-10 02:42

Speaking of the BMP-2... vBF2: Special Forces had a BMP-3, albeit a crappy looking one... It can probably stay in PR later on until the devs borrow/make their own from scratch...
bmp3

edited by thunder, theres no need for such a huge pic