I'm fed up with unmotivated kicks.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-22 17:24

'[R-DEV wrote:Gaz']*sigh*

moved to the Playable PR Servers forums. As long as the server is an Original Settings (PROS), then we welcome the server

*cough*no you didn't.

DancingCorpse · Post by **DancingCorpse** » 2007-05-22 22:13

MadTommy wrote:for fecks sake... do you know how many times this subject has been raised on this PR forum., which has nothing to do with TG!!!!!!!!

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20768&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20011&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19114&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18817&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17250&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15382&highlight=tactical+gamer+kick

Use the search. If you don’t like TG, then don’t play there.

Unmotivated.... You weren't in a flippin squad.. and server rules say you will get kicked for not being in a squad.. pretty simple!

Why dont you read the whole post before mouthing off, huh?

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2007-05-22 22:15

TG RULES~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[:NET:]Boondock Saint · Post by **[:NET:]Boondock Saint** » 2007-05-23 01:50

TG has a horribly buggy and silly kick and reserved slot system. A system which no other sever running any variant of BF2 has. Fact.

TG gamers can be as bad as any gamer in any other server. Fact.

Thats all. Good day.

Dirtboy · Post by **Dirtboy** » 2007-05-23 03:32

'[:NET: wrote:Boondock Saint']TG has a horribly buggy and silly kick and reserved slot system.

How is it silly?...We pay for the server and want to play. So what you are saying is that we cant play on a server that we pay for? Hmmmmmm

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stickyjeans69 · Post by **stickyjeans69** » 2007-05-23 11:10

i find it somewhat crude but yet amusing what people are saying about the TG server, we stride for two things, Teamwork and maturity, our server has rules. read them and obey them and everything's good, don't like getting kicked? supporting membership is 9 dollars a month, BUT YOU AREN"T EXEMPT OF THE RULES, i can get kicked for mouthing off and being a smacktard just as fast as any of you can, i just choose to play by the TG rules because i like the gameplay on the TG server, password nights get intense as long as the smacktards don't find the password.

Dirtboy · Post by **Dirtboy** » 2007-05-23 12:22

stickyjeans69 wrote: password nights get intense as long as the smacktards don't find the password.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red Halibut · Post by **Red Halibut** » 2007-05-23 13:08

I must admit to being slightly peeved by the kick system running on TG sometimes, but in my opinion it is a small price to pay for a well run and friendly server.

There will always be those who do not want to be told what to do, who despise rules. For them there are servers without those rules. For me, I find that the presence of those rules at least lets people know what is expected of them.

AD&A. I respect your position, you wish to play in your own style, type anything you like in chat, choose to join a squad or remain lone wolf as you see fit. This is your decision. All that I would say in response is that this is "Project Reality". In reality, life in the armed forces takes a dim view of service personnel who have difficulty following rules...

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-05-23 15:50

There will always be those who do not want to be told what to do, who despise rules
There is a difference between being a person" who despises rules" and a per son who simply doesn't need to be told how and when to do everything.
As Boondock Saint pointed out, many other servers exist without the plethora of rules and the kindergarten nanny attitude and I would venture to say that many people have a good time on those servers.
I don't think all of those people despise rules and are running and gunning as lonewolves.
This is a video game....called project reality... it is not reality and even in the real world people don't need as many rules.
The more rules, the people you need to enforce the rules therefore the higher the chance that someone enforcing the rules will abuse his/her power.
It it their right to run the server anyway they like and it is my right not to play on it.
If it was such an uber successful strategy, why haven't other servers picked up on it ?

[:NET:]Boondock Saint · Post by **[:NET:]Boondock Saint** » 2007-05-23 17:56

Dirtboy wrote:How is it silly?...We pay for the server and want to play. So what you are saying is that we cant play on a server that we pay for? Hmmmmmm ??:

Um, did you read what I wrote? At no time did I say your not allowed to play on the server you pay for. I said you run a gimmicky, hokey, reserved slot program. TG has the ONLY buggy reserved slot system that tells you, that you are banned when the server has met it's quota, 62/64. Hence I used the term "buggy." It is also the only server that has a hokey, buggy kick system in place. I'm not sure what in these two statements here that you find false, or in any way saying you can't play on a server you pay for. Truth be told, it's your server and you are free to install any kind of buggy system you want. While it is the only one of the few low ping US servers that runs, I stay away. I'm not a fan of how your "system" works, and the overall nubishness I've been witness too in your server.

asch · Post by **asch** » 2007-05-23 18:17

'[:NET: wrote:Boondock Saint']Um, did you read what I wrote? At no time did I say your not allowed to play on the server you pay for. I said you run a gimmicky, hokey, reserved slot program. TG has the ONLY buggy reserved slot system that tells you, that you are banned when the server has met it's quota, 62/64. Hence I used the term "buggy."

We admin that the system we have in place isn't perfect, but also state that the built in reserved slot system for the game is not perfect either. Each has their pros and cons.

I will add one point of clarification however... When you are banned you receive a different message than when you are not allowed onto the server because it is full. These are stock messages that we cannot change, but they are different messages.

Now while our system may be the only system that displays this unfortunate message, our system is also the only one that allows up to 64 reserved slot players join the server while actually only reserving two slots from use.

Maybe next time if you take the time to understand the various systems in place you'll come to understand that this system has some benefits (and some flaws). You'll also realize that this system works best for Tactical Gamer and it's many supporting members.

It is also the only server that has a hokey, buggy kick system in place. I'm not sure what in these two statements here that you find false, or in any way saying you can't play on a server you pay for. Truth be told, it's your server and you are free to install any kind of buggy system you want. While it is the only one of the few low ping US servers that runs, I stay away. I'm not a fan of how your "system" works, and the overall nubishness I've been witness too in your server.

You seem to want to call our system buggy. What do you find buggy with it? Do you not like the logic we have in place? Do you feel you're being kicked for a reserved slot unwarranted?

Our reserved slot kick system is automatic. It locates the longest playing non-supporting member and removes them. This is the logic that has been discussed on many occasions in many threads on both TG and the PR forums. This logic works best for Tactical Gamer. Occassionally we are informed of bugs and we do our best to address them. At this time we have no outstanding reported bugs.

The other automatic kick system we have in place is for squadless players. We're a community that strives for teamwork and being a part of a squad is one of those necessary steps. There isn't much more to say about this other than if a player has no desire to play in a squad as a team, then our server is not one for them. We don't try to make a server for everyone, we try to make a server for mature, team-based, objective-based players.

asch · Post by **asch** » 2007-05-23 18:28

DancingCorpse wrote:I was playing on TacticalGamer tonight for about an hour, following ALL the rules, not talking smack, listning to my squad mates, even VOLUNTEERING to be a medic and heal people instead of myself and getting myself killed healing others, when...BAM...

It's unfortunate you were kicked from the server but I wanted to point out some inconsistencies and help to shed some light on what was happening. I hightlighted part of the above quote...

"You have been kicked for not joining a squad [Admin Decision]".

I then wanted to focus on this statement. If you were kicked for not being in a squad then you weren't following all of the rules. One of our key rules it that all players must be in squads.

Now I understand that this may not necessarily be the your fault. You may not have intentionally been trying to play as a lonewolf. There are several things that could have happened to leave you w/o a squad.

The first being that you were teamswitched. When you spawned in on the new team the squadless kick starts counting down. You may not have realized you weren't in a squad.

The second case is that the SL of your "old" squad kicked you from the squad. With all of the messages that fly across the screen and the intense action that takes place around you, you may not have noticed this.

So I rejoin after waiting 5 minutes of messages saying "You have been kick due to a successful kick vote or for excessive teamkilling", which I NEVER do, and finally get in and ask if I had been kicked from my squad, which I hadn't.

This sounds like the message you receive when you try to join a full server (62/64 players). Do note that the in-game browser doesn't always accurately reflect the number of players on the server and the number of players already attempting to join. So you could possibly see 55/64 but not realize that seven other players are in the process of loading already.

So I say "Why can't you kick one of the people with 0 points?" (there were 5 people who were in game with 0 points and several with - scores).

Reply: "Don't complain." "Points do not matter.".

I reply to this with "Well it's not a good strategy to get people to play here if you are going to kick them for following all the rules.".

This has been discussed on many occassions in many threads on both TG and the PR forums. The logic for the kick script is to remove the longest playing non-supporting member. This is the logic that works best for Tactical Gamer.

Then I disconnected from the server deciding not to play there again since the admins don't know who to kick and who not to even though there are great people who play there.

I hate it when admins abuse their power and kick random people who play by THEIR rules.

One of our expectations is that players have taken the time to read through our rules, announcements, stickies, etc. on the Tactical Gamer forums. If you had done that you would understand that our kick scripts are automatic. You would understand the logic of the scripts and what messages you receive when kicked. Apparently this is not the case.

So before you go off touting that admins are abusing their power, take the time to realize that you're getting kicked by a script and not a person.

asch · Post by **asch** » 2007-05-23 18:32

CannonballGB wrote:Honestly... the Tactical Gamer kick system is pretty.... I guess you could say selfish. The server kicks the person who has been on there the longest, instead of kicking someone with a low score which in turn means all the new guys stay longer than whoever has been on the server playing longest, regardless of their score. Keeps the server "fresh" so you don't have as many people just getting bored and logging off. Good idea for the server, not particarly beneficial to players. Sorry if that was confusing, it's late and what I was trying to say is confusing in general.

You described the logic of the kick script fairly well Cannonball.

We want to allow for as many non-supporting members to get a round or two in before being kicked from the server. This offers these new players and TG regulars a chance to interact and we get to meet many new faces. This is why we use the longest playing instead of the shortest.

Points are not always the best thing to base kicks off of because this has the tendency to lead players to worry more about points than about teamwork. PR is doing some interesting and great things with their point system, but in the end it is just a measure of how PR scores.

asch · Post by **asch** » 2007-05-23 18:40

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:I say it sucks. It's not for mature people it's a kindergarten
Who cares ?
There are other servers with less power mad people running them that allow .........oh no ...."profanity" ,,,, servers that don't ban you for telling non cooperating teammates to get in the fight.
IT's a great server if you need to be mollycoddled with 4,000 rules but if you are an adult then having the above mentioned diaper baby set of rules will only piss you off.
Screw'em

Let's clear up the exageration. The rules are kept to a minimum (single digits). We don't want to add rules for the sake of adding rules. We add rules to be clear where many new players don't understand how we run the server.

There are adult players who are not bothered by profanity. There are some adult players who are. There are those who don't care about racial slurs, there are some that do. Some players don't want care if they get raped at their UCB and others who want to experience engagements on the battlefield.

What we have done with our rules is defined a clear set of rules for those players that want to play within those confines. We don't try to cater to everyone because you can never please everyone.

What we do expect is maturity, respect, teamwork, and for players to abide by the short list of rules. Apparently you're not one of those players and that's fine. We respect your opinion and hope you find another server that meets your needs.

But let's be clear, you apparently don't understand what Tactical Gamer is about, why we have our rules, and the type of environment we're trying to make. Before you make judgement calls you may want to take the time to understand what you're judging. I'd be happy to discuss that with you via private message.

asch · Post by **asch** » 2007-05-23 18:43

Outlawz wrote:Uff....last time I played there, I got kicked from my squad, because I didnt have time to reply to my SL, and he didnt ask, where the funk I am...I was reviving and meding a stupid Spec Op, who ran away right after the revive, thinking he has got full health...and the SL got killed, while I went hiding behind a wall and killed the squad, that came to capture the CP...

That's unfortunate outlawz as it sounds like some miscommunication had the SL remove you from the squad... leading into the squadless kick script. We hope you make it back on the server again.

PIMP{UK}1 · Post by **PIMP{UK}1** » 2007-05-23 18:59

DancingCorpse-Please just read my post on page 2, I was in your sqaud, you did not spawn for some time or say you were going to be medic as Sl asked so he kicked you. You didnt realise you had left the squad, didnt read server messages warning you, then were kicked.

$hit happens

General_J0k3r · Post by **General_J0k3r** » 2007-05-23 19:06

erm, guys, if you don't like the way the server is run i suggest the following: find another. i only played on TG 2 or 3 times since im from europe, but there were always nice squads with good teamwork. maybe u guys should just find a server that suits your style of playing better?

DancingCorpse · Post by **DancingCorpse** » 2007-05-23 22:33

TG|asch, thank you for the reply and clearing all that up for me, I like how you are talking about this in the proffesional way you are. You have convinced me to play on your server again, and hope to see you there to have some good games.

PIMP, thanks for telling me about that, and I did read your first post (before you had posted your second one above). The misunderstanding there is I had looked in my consol and I could not find any record of those messages.

Thanks again to the people who are representing TG in a good mannered and positive way. I will be playing on your server again.

malv · Post by **malv** » 2007-05-24 06:33

I agree. TG sucks. They'll kick you for just about anything other than playing poorly. I contributed so much in terms of squad and team leadership and they banned me for using profanity without warning. Fuck 'em.

gerardnm · Post by **gerardnm** » 2007-05-24 08:29

malv wrote:I agree. TG sucks. They'll kick you for just about anything other than playing poorly. I contributed so much in terms of squad and team leadership and they banned me for using profanity without warning. Fuck 'em.

U must have been cussing either on TS or in the comms on screen (or an admin was in your squad).

I agree with the rule on profanity....ultimately you re playing with strangers so show some respect when talking