Cobra Gun Camera

Silvarius2000 · Post by **Silvarius2000** » 2007-05-21 18:07

http://matt.carter.name/download/front_ ... 2.avi.html

Hey guys I stumbled on this video of gun cameras from a cobra. Really good look on how does it look from the Gunners seat in the cobra. Really interesting things to see such as running insurgents being gunned down and how the Gatling isnt exactly laser accurate.

enjoy

edit: I notice that there are at least 2 variants of HUD's. The earlier videos show Cobras firing TOW's and the later videos (notice the different HUD) firing Hellfires hitting from overhead.

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2007-05-21 18:27

EDIT: I'm a bit unsure here but is this the Cobra gunner station? I just found it in my picture archive on my PC.
EDIT:Hmm doesn't look like it:

Can anybody indentify the first one?

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-05-21 18:49

This has been answered before, but what the hell. Those engagments are at kilometer ranges, BF2 is at 300.

So you're suggesting to worsen the accuracy at ranges of 300 metres?!

WTF?!

@guerranorte

The first one looks like an artists rendition.

The only game I can think of with that detail is Black Shark for LOMAC, but BS aint got no cobra in it.

Silvarius2000 · Post by **Silvarius2000** » 2007-05-21 18:53

Had to take a good look again. Sorry. that TOW took ... more than 4 seconds to reach that target. Not suggesting any changes. Just thought it looked interesting

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-05-21 23:23

El_Vikingo wrote:This has been answered before, but what the hell. Those engagments are at kilometer ranges, BF2 is at 300.

can isay the same about the speed of the planes in 0.6 ?

TF6049 · Post by **TF6049** » 2007-05-22 01:20

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:can I say the same about the speed of the planes in 0.6 ?

They go faster, if that's what you're getting at.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-05-22 01:30

they go WAY to faster for a 4x4 km map .

Post by **eggman** » 2007-05-22 02:50

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:they go WAY to faster for a 4x4 km map .

and you are basing this assenine evaluation on how much play experience with v0.6?

stfu ffs!

Desertfox · Post by **Desertfox** » 2007-05-22 02:52

IRL what do cobra gunners use to control the TV guided missiles?

sekiryu · Post by **sekiryu** » 2007-05-22 03:42

A joystick I think.

NYgurkha · Post by **NYgurkha** » 2007-05-22 04:24

No no no silly, they use this to guide the missle

touch bottom screen to direct the missle and the top screen for HUD info.

/yha they use pink, its the official USMC color.
//got nothin, sleepy and bored, waitin for .6 beta!!!!

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-05-22 07:33

Along with the newly developed KITTYPAT and M8P

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-05-22 20:33

'[R-DEV wrote:eggman']and you are basing this assenine evaluation on how much play experience with v0.6?

stfu ffs!

IRL you can see a A10 for at leaast 40/50 seg when attaking , in the A10 sound demo you only saw the A10 for 4 seg , if that isnt WAY to fast.....

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-22 21:01

Guerra norte wrote:
EDIT: I'm a bit unsure here but is this the Cobra gunner station? I just found it in my picture archive on my PC.
EDIT:Hmm doesn't look like it:

Can anybody indentify the first one?

I think the bottom one is AH-1W (the Super Cobra with two main rotor blades) and the upper one might be the AH-1Z. Part of the AH-1Z upgrade process was installation of glass cockpits. I don't know if it's the gunner or pilot station in the small image, but it probably is AH-1Z.

It wouldn't surprise me if the AH-1Z's targeting system used a hi-res display instead of the scope-like thing that the old Cobra. The Apache has a replacement display for the old TADS scopes, and it's supposedly higher resolution than the old system:

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2007-05-23 11:09

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:IRL you can see a A10 for at leaast 40/50 seg when attaking , in the A10 sound demo you only saw the A10 for 4 seg , if that isnt WAY to fast.....

so... it's unrealistic if the A10 goes slow... but it's not to your liking when it goes fast?

What do you want?! There's only so much the engine can do!

Anyway,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadFwuDReyI
There's the same video in YouTube. If you watch at 3:47, the Cobra launches a TOW missile at a target under a bridge. Several cars go by on the bridge and finally at 4:04, the missile hits. So it takes 17 secs for it to hit the target, I saw somewhere that the average speed of a TOW is about 300 m/s, which I think equals up to the Cobra being about about 5KM away when it shot.

P.S. This doesn't really have anything to do with anything... I just thought it was cool.

Farks · Post by **Farks** » 2007-05-24 15:09

Desertfox wrote:IRL what do cobra gunners use to control the TV guided missiles?

I'm pretty sure they are laser guided (no, not Star Wars like lasers) and not TV- guided. So the gunner just marks the target and the TOW/Hellfire missile will head wherever the laser is pointed.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-24 16:18

Farks wrote:I'm pretty sure they are laser guided (no, not Star Wars like lasers) and not TV- guided. So the gunner just marks the target and the TOW/Hellfire missile will head wherever the laser is pointed.

The TOW is SACLOS, which basically means that the launch platform tells the missile where to go through a wire (that's why the Humvee mounted TOW has such a massive sight - that's where the guidance system is located).

There's a Hellfire version that has its own radar, but all the other ones are laser-guided. Even a missile like the Maverick doesn't relay live footage from the missile back to the aircraft - the pilot/WSO picks the target through the missiles camera while it's still on the rail, the missile locks on, leaves the rail and disconnects, happily continuing on it's own. There used to be guided missiles that were guided from the launching platform, with video footage being relayed back. I don't know of any Skinner's pigeon style guided missile in use today, though

Taffy · Post by **Taffy** » 2007-05-24 16:21

Well, if they are guided, they'll be guided by a little joystick on the joystick itself. Not like a gaming joystick, more like a phone's joystick.

@ Guerra, I doubt the top picture is an attack helicopter, as there is another screen to the right. In attack choppers, screens are usually 'stacked', so that the chopper can be narrower. It may be a blackhawk, or possibly a plane. Who knows?

Taffy · Post by **Taffy** » 2007-05-24 16:24

@ Daranz, the starstreak is still guided by the bloke who fires it.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-05-24 16:31

Taffy wrote:@ Daranz, the starstreak is still guided by the bloke who fires it.

It's still essentially SACLOS, except it rides a beam and isn't guided by a wire. Same principle as TOW - the operator points his sights at the target, and the launch platforms sends appropriate commands to the missile down the wire.

EDIT: Also, the pic with two MFDs is definitely from Super Cobra cockpit (although it could be a mockup). Check this page out. Near the end, there's a picture of the new glass cockpit. As I said before, I don't know whether it's the pilot's or the gunner's.