Sabotage - is it the way the game's supposed to be played?

{GD}Ghost · Post by **{GD}Ghost** » 2007-05-26 22:06

l|Bubba|l wrote:And you would wait 10 or more minutes at the mainbase where nothing happens to wait for a saboteur who possibly never comes?
That has nothing to with the denfence of a flag that can be taken by the enemy.

I don't believe I said that, no. Its pretty obvious if you have a sabateur. If things are blowing up. You have a saboteur. Go on the defensive. If nothing is blowing up or people are not being spawn camped at the main base, make yourself useful. Once again, not rocket science.

l|Bubba|l · Post by **l|Bubba|l** » 2007-05-26 22:14

{GD}Ghost wrote:I don't believe I said that, no. Its pretty obvious if you have a sabateur. If things are blowing up. You have a saboteur. Go on the defensive. If nothing is blowing up or people are not being spawn camped at the main base, make yourself useful. Once again, not rocket science.

But you can't prevent the saboteur to blow up your whole assets. How you said, you could only kill him after he done that and you would never know if he comes back or not.
The saboteur reach his target at all events

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-05-26 22:15

its a perfect tactic , ur denying the enermy of an asset , simple .

l|Bubba|l · Post by **l|Bubba|l** » 2007-05-26 22:23

gazzthompson wrote:its a perfect tactic , ur denying the enermy of an asset , simple .

And your counter tactic is ... ?

Smitty4212 · Post by **Smitty4212** » 2007-05-26 23:16

Uhh, destroy their assets? Or use yours so that they aren't there to destroy in the first place?

I find this an acceptable tactic. There were only a few maps I would ever do it on, because on some it's just not feasible, and on others it just doesn't help that much. The last time I did it was on the POW camp map (PLA vs. USMC), as USMC or PLA I would go engy and mine any tanks/APCs at their enemy's base.

It was difficult, though. It took a significant amount of patience, not to mention you just wasted a ton of time if you get caught and get shot.

I tip my hats to those who go behind enemy lines to take out their assets, because it does help the team a lot. Have nearly completely forgotten about it with the maps in 0.5.

Aus Sniper01 · Post by **Aus Sniper01** » 2007-05-26 23:49

Told ya Stabby, it happens in RL and this is a " Realisem mod".....

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-05-27 00:05

I would like to point out the the engineer is the real spec ops and on maps where he has that damned shotgun he really is Rambo because he can't hit anything further than 20m.
The spec op kit is really a sniper's spotter kit.
The star wars binocs are the only worthwile piece of the kit and only a point man or a spotter needs them because most of the .6 kits come with regular binocs.
The base defense is standard rock-paper-scissors, if they are concentrating on mining your rear areas then they are weak in their foward area's and you can use H at/ L at to deal with his armor and infantry for everything else and he will be helpless to stop you because 25-40% of his strength in at your main or on the way there.

I am cheap !
I love sneaking into Al Burj and droppings some AT mines here and there.

On the of topic thing : great book- speculative fiction
James Stewart Thayer ..... S-Day.
What if the Germans didn't invade Soviet Russia ?
Written from the perspective of the aide de camp to a fictional American general in charge of the defense of Britian.

and

Tens of thousands among them were Muslims, where the majority of them came from Soviet Union. Under the banner of the crescent and the swastika, these Soviet Muslims believe to become holy warriors to liberated theirs land. But the end of this unholy alliance was a disaster for them.

I got one word for all that .......Einsatzgruppen

As for the nuclear submarine..... I recently read that Allied Intelligence vastly overrated Germany's progress towards a nuclear bomb.
In contemporary terms the headline would read " FDR lies about German nukes..all part of plan to funnel money to unneeded nuclear program "

Haze · Post by **Haze** » 2007-05-27 01:02

If you dont have a clue how to go about sabotage try this link...
http://guide.realitymod.com/index.php?t ... _Territory

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-05-27 01:20

{GD}Ghost wrote:Gentlemen, this game represents war. THERE IS NO WHINING IN WAR!

.........

One thing that bugs me is hearing people complain about a completely valid tactic. However, they're often the first one's you see running around prone-dive shooting people

There are of course tactics that should be considered cheap and avoided by honorable men. Such as spawn camping (unless you're waiting for someone to bring up the LAT or something), prone-diving, noob tubing single infantry, suicide noob tubing, wall hacking, and RP glitching.

These are all activities that are physically possible in-game, but that doesn't mean one should take part in them.

If discussing whether placing mines under vehicles is cheap or not makes me a whiner, I guess that's what I am.

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-05-27 04:16

There is no doubt whatsoever that putting AT mines under parked vehicles is cheap.
It is also effective.
I personally find it quite amusing to see that I have killed 4-5 people when I am hundreds of meters away didi-bopping along to the next battle.
I am cheap !

Smitty4212 · Post by **Smitty4212** » 2007-05-27 04:29

I disagree that it's cheap.

You shouldn't leave your main armaments back at your base. If you do, you're asking for them to be taken out by saboteurs.

To whoever said how do you defend them if you don't know saboteurs are coming-- you don't have to defend them; using them is enough.

Lucid Nightmare · Post by **Lucid Nightmare** » 2007-05-27 05:18

What say you guys about waiting for enemy choppers to come back to re-arm at their main and then when they are doing so, you snipe them with an AT rocket or two?
Would you consider that to be sabotage or the vehicular equivalent of spawn camping?

[LTC] Gunther.S [4SFG] · Post by **[LTC] Gunther.S [4SFG]** » 2007-05-27 07:09

The big problem with this is those HORRRIBLE servers that have "no main base camping" and then the admins think in their head.. well they're in the main base.. They must be camping. Kick..

LoL, I was on that muttrah city 27/7 server, and i strafed the AA that was shooting at me in the LB, very difficult I might add, and I was kicked for camping the main. I think PR should ban all noob servers like that, that would be cool.

Sabotage is awsome and a BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG part of war, why arent we allowed in enemies bases? If the enemies dont want them in their bases, have them defend their important assets. Yea it might be boring sometimes, but its an important job.

Epim3theus · Post by **Epim3theus** » 2007-05-27 13:31

How do you guys keep coming to the fact that Sabotage is a big part of war? Can you give examples of military branches that are trained to infiltrate enemy bases to destroy their vehicles or actions that have actually taken place?
If you want to be the super clever stealthy l33t spec op, you could just as well play vanilla, i really don t see why you would play PR .
Try play in a squad and help eachother instead of trying to deny others of having a nice game in a sneaky way. Just be a good sport and play fair.

2ACR>Gunther wrote:The big problem with this is those HORRRIBLE servers that have "no main base camping" and then the admins think in their head.. well they're in the main base.. They must be camping. Kick..

LoL, I was on that muttrah city 27/7 server, and i strafed the AA that was shooting at me in the LB, very difficult I might add, and I was kicked for camping the main. I think PR should ban all noob servers like that, that would be cool.

Ban all noob servers, what are you on, you really sound like a teamplayer.

W4chund · Post by **W4chund** » 2007-05-27 14:12

What an Discussion.

It´s startet above Sabotage, going over to WW2 and now its nearly back to Topic.

It is a Game, no War, no Real Life not more.

In this Game is it possible to Infiltrate a Enemy Mainbase, why not?
If PRMM wants that Impossible, they have to find a Way to stop that.
Its ur own Gentleman Aggreement, how u do it. If u going in, plantet ur Explosives and go out without killing Enemy while they Spawn....its ok in my Eyes.
If u going in with a armored Vehicle or Plane and this all the Time, i guess, their must be something wrong in ur Real Life and u try to compensate it by this Way.

To Server with Rules of Fair Play, if u play there, u are a Guest, so u have to Obey the Rules. U didn´t pay for this Server, but the Admins will do, so they make the Rules.
If u dont like the Rules, give the Slot free and leave the Server, so another One can join.

And please stop saying BF2/PRMM is War or like War. In War, People will die, getting Hurt, losing Arms and Legs, getting Crazy, their Homes will be Destroyed....they losing all.
In BF2/PRMM u will lose a virtual Life for a few Seconds and then u start again to Fight with a new One.

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-05-27 14:19

"If you want to be the super clever stealthy l33t spec op"

what u on about ? who said anything about being 'super l33t ?'.

this is y sabotage is ok , mainly its denying the enermy of assets. if thats blowing up bridges , or taking out ammo dumps or blowing up tanks , what ever it is ur denying them use of it. this happends ALL the time in war . there not gunna let them sit there if they can blow em up.

and when compairing to RL u can picture bf2s 'main bases' as actull 'main bases' because in modern confilct , for e.g US vs China they wont have so called 'main bases' 500 meters away from the front line.

and being a so called 'super l33t' sepc ops in the contect of sabotage is actully the complete oposite to vbf2, when on basrah and i blow up spawn cars i get little points atall , come like 25th on the server , but i dont care because arguably im doing the most important job on the team , denying the enermy of there one asset over the US.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-05-27 14:20

Sabotage only works if you cant magically repair bridges and assets.

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-05-27 14:44

but assets can include tanks and jeeps , by blowing them up they cant use em and u can use urs giving u the advantage.

Silvarius2000 · Post by **Silvarius2000** » 2007-05-27 14:58

I think the only way to settle this argument is for a Dev or some other respected figure like Jesus Christ to say if it IS or ISNT a legit tactic in the spirit of PR.

Though IMHO you guys are doing the same complaint the Soviets said during the Afghanistan war. But hey. It works. That APC or tank wont be bothering us. A bunch of guys mining up your place is a bunch of guys not capping flags. whats the big deal.

Its Project Reality. Not Project let me drive me Whored Vehicle in peace. I see plenty of campers all the time in mainbases anyway.