The civilians need blue helmets then.
And just to clear things up : racism
a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
Hating your enemy may not be the most uplifting way to live but it is not racism and I think perhaps the anti-Semitic trend is raising its head by proxy.
If the team 1 and team 2 issues could be worked out you could have insurgent vs. insurgent as neither of the parties in the dispute qualify on any real level as governments.
They don't wear uniforms or have an organized military structure.
I think an I v I mode would be a novelty and I would certainly play if there were new maps but the inherent balance in the forces would make it sort of low tech infantry boring.
And as the windshield melts
My tears evaporate
Leaving only charcoal to defend.
Finally I understand the feelings of the few.
wrt Blackeagle: ??? can the MODS remove entire POSTS from a thread, leaving no trace that there ever was a post?
wrt Insurgents: A Fatah vs. Hamas scenario wouldn't really be Insurgents vs. Insurgents, rather Militia vs. Militia (technicality, I know).
The civilians should be there, though, on both sides and maybe some limited kit system, although I'm not really up to speed on how these two are organized. And there should be a commander for both sides.
As for Insurgent vs Insurgent I think this would interesting. It could represent a civil war situation as is happening within Iraq or in part within the palestinian territories. Insurgents within Iraq, and in part armed Palestinian groups, are constantly trying to look to be the supreme group amongst themselves. They do this in 2 main ways, firstly by pulling off more daring and higher profile attacks against either coalition or Iraqi forces, or by fighting other Insurgent style groups in Iraq or Palestinian militias in Palestine.
I think this would make for some very intense battles within Urban areas though I think you would have to remove the civilian kit as this would have no real place within insurgent vs insurgent battles. The civilian kit, as I see it, represents ordinary civilians assisting the insurgents against coalition troops rather than Insurgency members posing as civilians. Feel free to correct me if i am wrong here.
Colt M653s, if we're going to be specific. Possibly Isreali modified Mekut'zars, which are M653s rebarreled to fire the M855 round rather than M193. Though the ones pictured have A1 "birdcage" flash hiders rather than the A2 version, which is usually on the Mekut'zar.
The key to modernising any weapon is covering them in glue and tossing them in a barrel of M1913 rails until they look "Modern" enough.
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Bob_Marley wrote:Colt M653s, if we're going to be specific. Possibly Isreali modified Mekut'zars, which are M653s rebarreled to fire the M855 round rather than M193. Though the ones pictured have A1 "birdcage" flash hiders rather than the A2 version, which is usually on the Mekut'zar.
lol
we love you bob
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No shit !
I was waiting for the explanation.
Thanks Bob
give me a reason to why arabs insurgents will be fighting the PLA ?.
That one is very very easy ... oil.
Or as part of a UN force deployed to the region.
Or because "insurgents" killed or kidnapped a number of Chinese and the UN won't do anything about it, so the ChiComs take care of business, Mao-style Yo !
And as the windshield melts
My tears evaporate
Leaving only charcoal to defend.
Finally I understand the feelings of the few.
ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:No shit !
I was waiting for the explanation.
Thanks Bob
give me a reason to why arabs insurgents will be fighting the PLA ?.
That one is very very easy ... oil.
Or as part of a UN force deployed to the region.
Or because "insurgents" killed or kidnapped a number of Chinese and the UN won't do anything about it, so the ChiComs take care of business, Mao-style Yo !
I hate to say this but the PLA aren't exactly very active when it comes to peacekeeping operations for the UN as this PLA website shows. Quite frankly I wouldn't want the PLA hanging about and nor do many other nations around the world. Also note that until very recently the PLA has been a purely defensive force, they are now only just beginning to bring forces capable of offensive combined operations on line
I suggested "insurgent vs Insurgent" purely as a quick way to simulate the conflict I was seeing. I realise that neither group are "insurgents", but the models and the way of working were very similar. It seemed like a short cut that wouldn't need "too" much dev work...
"It is not the responsibility of a defender to leave the objective unguarded just so his opponent sucks less."
And, in addition to this exiting new prospect for insurgent vs insurgent battles, it also opens the posibility of MEC/PLA vs insurgent battles in the future due to the creation of a "team 1" insurgent faction.
The key to modernising any weapon is covering them in glue and tossing them in a barrel of M1913 rails until they look "Modern" enough.
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Bob has a point here. A generic insurgent team could be used to represent an organised uprising in China that the PLA are sent to put down. Or perhaps Insurgents trying to overthrow the government of the MEDI battling for control with the MEDI armed forces.
Well, in C&C Generals, China fights the GLA at the western border near Kazahstan, which is close to Middle East and Talibans in Afghanistan.
IRL, PLA has already attacked and destroyed terrorist cells operating in the muslim populated provinces. So PLA vs. Insurgents/Militia isnt really unrealistic...
Insurgent vs. Insurgent doesn't sound like a good idea, but MEC vs. Insurgents with a decent back story seems legit. Maybe fighting over a real(or made-up) capital city.
Thats a great idea. But what about the weapons and request kits? Can there be no request kits for both just pick-ups? And should both of them use the rpg? And the kits should they be more like Insurgent/Militia/or Conventional armys?
maybe Militia (with civilians as well) V's Insurgents....
Maybe this could be done to represent a Civil War, in which Pro-(Democratic)Government and Anti-Government forces clash... (ie before the armed forces/police? can respond....
a close in infantry & technicals (recoilless rifle also would be great) only map in an urban environment. Maybe with quite a few pick-up kits PKM's an RPG or 2, an SVD etc.
Andy.
God is Airborne only because he failed the commando course.
similar to above (like the technical vs technical idea and of course lots of pickup weapons), maybe we could have something like shiite militia vs sunni insurgents (kinda like Sadr army vs Islamic Army in Iraq)
Dont see a lot of bombings by Shiites so maybe they could get an Iraqi soldier and/or policeman (both are infiltrated by the Sadr's men) in uniform and helmets-not like the plain clothes policeman in .5-to replace the .6 ambusher class. Insurgent class could just be renamed "fighter" and without the shemagh.
Insurgents would be the same as in .6 except but with maybe no "imbedded sf operator". in its place maybe they could get a "terrorist" class as a limited-kit that has aks74u, makarov, one grenade/molotov or remote IED, no armour, knife or machette, and the same model as the imbedded operator except all black.
imagine a game mode where the militia is required to have a certain amount of civilians alive at any moment, and the inurgents can lower their tickets by 10-20 by killing a civi (would love to see insurgent suicide bomber that looks like a civi)
insurgents would be at a vast ticket disadvantage but militia has to protect civis and root out insurgents
of course this could be done the other way around except with militia "death squads" doing the civi killing and ins with a civi # requirement. militia would have a strong ticket bleed
holy **** sorry for the long post
btw is all this too controversial or has been suggested b4??
ok i posted this in the ins vs ins thread the other day but no one responded:
"similar to above (like the technical vs technical idea and of course lots of pickup weapons), maybe we could have something like shiite militia vs sunni insurgents (kinda like Sadr army vs Islamic Army in Iraq)
Dont see a lot of bombings by Shiites so maybe they could get an Iraqi soldier and/or policeman (both are infiltrated by the Sadr's men) in uniform and helmets-not like the plain clothes policeman in .5-to replace the .6 ambusher class. Insurgent class could just be renamed "fighter" and without the shemagh.
Insurgents would be the same as in .6 except but with maybe no "imbedded sf operator". in its place maybe they could get a "terrorist" class as a limited-kit that has aks74u, makarov, one grenade/molotov or remote IED, no armour, knife or machette, and the same model as the imbedded operator except all black.
imagine a game mode where the militia is required to have a certain amount of civilians alive at any moment, and the inurgents can lower their tickets by 10-20 by killing a civi (would love to see insurgent suicide bomber that looks like a civi)
insurgents would be at a vast ticket disadvantage but militia has to protect civis and root out insurgents
of course this could be done the other way around except with militia "death squads" doing the civi killing and ins with a civi # requirement. militia would have a strong ticket bleed
holy **** sorry for the long post
btw is all this too controversial or has been suggested b4??"
