The "Crewman" class weapon question

[[T]waylay00]

Just give the US crewman an M4 with ironsights...

[77SiCaRiO77]

So in FH for 1942 you are just a piece of rapebait when you re in a Sherman? That s kind of cool, you wouldn t stand a chance without decent airsupport. Or is it like 5 shermans against one Tiger?

even 5 shermans firing at the front of a KT cant have a chance , they need to flank him (if you have luck , KTs are faste than shermans ) or have air support .

[T4nn13]

Hi guys, today it was a Open day in the Erwin Rommel Kaserne in Augustdorf, i was there with a few Team Mates, i went to where the British were standing, got to hold a L86A2 and all that Then a nice soldier gave me a L85A2 AFV, these guys were from the 20th Armored Brigade stantiond in Paderborn.
I asked him where they use the L85A2 AFV eventhough he was standing next to a Challenger 2, he said we use it coz its small and you havent got alot of space in the tank to move with your weapon so the L85a2 AFV is perfect
So i think the British Crewman kit should get the L85A2 AFV.
Heres a pic where im standing about with the L85A2 AFV :

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben ... 653166.jpg

André

[billdan]

yeah the l85a2 afv would be great for brit crewman-are those things available without susats for balance issues?
US(both USMC and Army): M4 (single/burst) iron sights w/ 4 clips
MEC: pehaps an MP5? 5 clips
PLA:Type 85-i thing the compact QBZ is the best carbine (if m4a1 didnt have aimpoint) and would be too good for tank crews-besides arent type 85's really common in Chinese LE and military?

they should keep the smoke grenades

might be useless and unnecessary(sp?) but could a "tank commander" kit be made. besides the carbine he has a pistol a marker smoke, and binocs. same skin

[Sgt.North]

yeah the l85a2 afv would be great for brit crewman-are those things available without susats for balance issues?

If anyone knows better than me feel free to correct..... but as the weapons shortened theres nowhere to mount the foresight, therefore it must be equipped with a SUSAT (Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux). Balance out the issue, Its Reality

Mind it does have quite a small barrel and recoil is higher that the standard L85A2 as less weight and even more Rear-Balanced weight

[billdan]

fine
but it better get that recoil and balance issue then

i mean if any of these suggestions were accepted lol

[Cheeseman]

I think that MEC shouldn't be based only on Pakistani & Iranian armyes . AK-74 , comes in 5.45x39 or it's brother AK-101\5.56x45 - probably the weapons of choice for any Arab army which aren't supplyed by US\NATO . I hope MEC aren't , yep ? They are cheap , reliable , accurate ( yes , AK-74 is accurate itself and AK-101 is almost the same in accuracy as M16A2 because of better quality of .223 rounds ) . Probably they also may buy G36's , but they are way too expencive compared to AK's .

p/s MEC support should carry PKM GPMG

WOW, do you know anything about different civilizations? First of all MEC’s are suppose to represent a fictional Middle Eastern Coalition of Arabs. Neither Pakistan or Iran are Arabs, they don’t speak Arabic, look Arab, or support the majority of Arab states around them. Now Iranians are Persians (Not Arabs), they main language is Farsi (Not Arabic). You can't have two of them together as Both Arabs and Persians hate each other. Arabs are Sunni Muslims, while Persians although having a mix of different religions, their government is Shiite Muslim based. Pakistanis are basically Muslim Indians who in 1956 separated from India so they could form an Islamic state of their own. They have nothing to do with Iranians or Arabs, because they’re busy fighting with their neighbor India.They also have a history of violence between one another (Majority of Indians are Hindi, while Pakistanis are followers of Islam), which lead to their separation in the first place. In the Middle-East Iran owns a great deal of German weaponry. Small arms like the G3 series assault rifle, MP5, MG3, etc are license-built in Iran. Prior to the Islamic Revolution which officially made Iran an Islamic state in 1979; Iran and Germany had good relations. In fact the name Iran means “Land of the Aryan” which Adolf Hitler himself believed the Aryans we’re the perfect race. So all these German weaponry you see used by Iran are pre-revolutionary weapons. So they no longer buy these weapons from Germany. Thus Iran is starting to replace their G3’s with their own made assault rifle called Khaybar KH2002. Pakistan on the other hand buys weapons from Germany in the shared sense of brining perceptions relating to global peace and stability between two nations. So they also own a lot of German equipment. Both Pakistan and Iran own and use the AK series as well, but Pakistan is currently phasing out their AK-47’s since their armies’ main assault rifle is the G3. While Iran also owns Kalashnikov series rifles, Iran’s main assault rifle is the G3 which is also being phased out with the Khaybar KH2002 rifle(Which I mentioned above). So only the Iranian police use the AK type weapons.

because of better quality of .223 rounds

???
The 7.62x39mm round fired by the AK-47 is bigger and heavier cartridge, and thus slower. It has nothing to do with quality. While it’s more Lethal than the 5.56x45mm/.223 rounds, it lacks the range, and velocity. The reason the U.S. Military switched to the .223 NATO has nothing to do with quality of the 7.62 round. The U.S. Military saw the 7.62 too powerful for an assault rifle, because it causes excessive recoil which makes it harder to keep the rifle stable. Both the 5.56 NATO and 7.62 have their purposes; it all depends at the situation.

It scares me that people know so little about other cultures and yet they talk with such confidence in what they’re saying. You live in Ukraine which is much closer to the Middle-East than Canada, and yet you can’t distinguish between these races and characterize them as one because of their shared religion? (Which also differs)

[Longbow*]

While Iran also owns Kalashnikov series rifles, Iran’s main assault rifle is the G3 which is also being phased out with the Khaybar KH2002 rifle(Which I mentioned above). So only the Iranian police use the AK type weapons.

Khaybar KH2002 is basicaly a bullpap M16A1...

The 7.62x39mm round fired by the AK-47 is bigger and heavier cartridge, and thus slower. It has nothing to do with quality. While it’s more Lethal than the 5.56x45mm/.223 rounds, it lacks the range, and velocity. The reason the U.S. Military switched to the .223 NATO has nothing to do with quality of the 7.62 round. The U.S. Military saw the 7.62 too powerful for an assault rifle, because it causes excessive recoil which makes it harder to keep the rifle stable. Both the 5.56 NATO and 7.62 have their purposes; it all depends at the situation.

Are you blind or what ? I even typed that AK-74 fires 5.45 , not 7.62 .
I was speaking about quality of 5.45x39 vs 5.56x45 ,.223 has better quality then soviet analogue round . So AK-101 matches better accuracy then AK-74

It scares me that people know so little about other cultures and yet they talk with such confidence in what they’re saying. You live in Ukraine which is much closer to the Middle-East than Canada, and yet you can’t distinguish between these races and characterize them as one because of their shared religion? (Which also differs)

You think I care ? I knew iranians are actually persians , never noticed Pakistan isn't populated by arabs though .

p/s dude , please tell me the reason to revive 3 month old ( 03.16.07 ) post ? My opinion on most of points changed ..

[Cheeseman]

p/s dude , please tell me the reason to revive 3 month old ( 03.16.07 ) post ? My opinion on most of points changed ..

When I try and post in a thread, I usually read what others have previously posted so I don't give the same statements already given. So I read a little of the past and see people’s opinions before giving mine.

[Expendable Grunt]

Out of curriosity why do crewmen get smoke grenades? I'm assuming they have them IRL.

[Bob_Marley]

If anyone knows better than me feel free to correct..... but as the weapons shortened theres nowhere to mount the foresight, therefore it must be equipped with a SUSAT (Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux). Balance out the issue, Its Reality

Mind it does have quite a small barrel and recoil is higher that the standard L85A2 as less weight and even more Rear-Balanced weight

Give it greater deviation and recoil than the L85A2, and give it the 20 round magazine it is issued with to give it better balance (as in wieght balance, not game balance) and it shouldnt be too harsh, even with the SUSAT.

[billdan]

they get smokes to give themselves cover/concealment as they are supposed to be vulnerable outside the tank
perhaps its also used to cover the tank's repair?

[jackal22]

yes i agree there shouldn't be too much obvious balance, one teams advantage should not be directly countered, it should be made up in other areas.


slightly off topic but it makes my point

irl every army has its advantages, any mec type army will have lots of experiance with desert war fare where as if you placed them in say norway or finland they wouldnt stand a chance compared to finnish troops. etc. i think balancing directly is detrimental and ruins mods, it turns them into vanilla.

[Expendable Grunt]

Just give the crewman 2 mags.

[Bob_Marley]

Just give the crewman 2 mags.

That sounds reasonable.

Brits: scoped carbine, but only 40 (or 60, dont know if you mean 1+1 or 1+2 by "two mags") rounds.

US/PLA: Unscoped Carbine, 60 (or 90) rounds.

MEC: PDW with holo sight, 100 (or 150) rounds.



Except for Malitia, unless they got an upgrade from their Skorpions. It wouldnt really be sporting to limit them to only 40 (or 60) rounds of .32 ACP with iron sights...

[Bobert08]

That sounds reasonable.

Brits: scoped carbine, but only 40 (or 60, dont know if you mean 1+1 or 1+2 by "two mags") rounds.

US/PLA: Unscoped Carbine, 60 (or 90) rounds.

MEC: PDW with holo sight, 100 (or 150) rounds.



Except for Malitia, unless they got an upgrade from their Skorpions. It wouldnt really be sporting to limit them to only 40 (or 60) rounds of .32 ACP with iron sights...

This I'm for.

And just give the PLA the shortened Type 95 that is already used for SF.

I don't know if PLA crews use that in real life, but it sounds good enough.

[Bob_Marley]

This I'm for.

And just give the PLA the shortened Type 95 that is already used for SF.

I don't know if PLA crews use that in real life, but it sounds good enough.

IIRC, they do indeed use the QBZ-95B carbine.

So, L22A2 for Brit Crewmen, M4 for USMC/US Army, QBZ-95B for PLA, P90 for MEC and Skorpion for Malitia (but with more than 2 mags, or a different weapon).

[Expendable Grunt]

By 2 I mean 1+1 mags.

[Bob_Marley]

Ah right, good. Its just that often people talk about the reserve mag count rather than the total (ie rifleman having 8 mags or medics having 4)

[Expendable Grunt]

Happens. In all truth, crewmen shouldn't be using the weapon at all. It's just "there" in case of extreme emergency. Extreme extreme.