More recoil?

Apheirox · Post by **Apheirox** » 2007-06-26 18:49

The new G3 model is super sleek, it looks exactly like it does IRL - I can tell because this was the weapon I was issued in the Danish army under the name of 'M75'. This got me thinking, because I certainly remember how this beast kicked like a mule. I never tried firing it on full auto because they would not let us, explaining that 'all we would get was a nice view of the sky'. In the game, however, you can fire full auto just fine at decent ranges.

Maybe most weapons could do with a bit more recoil? I am not saying full auto needs to be eliminated from the game but with the current recoil I in fact find myself using it more often than single shot mode because it is more versatile when in reality it is strictly for close combat. Single shot is the default setting and is what we want people using almost all the time, right?

MichSt-Spartan · Post by **MichSt-Spartan** » 2007-06-26 19:04

First recoil needs to be fixed so your goes actually drops a little after kicking up.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-06-26 20:01

I've always thought that the G3 recoil is waaaayyy too low and accurate, rapid fire is very easy - the recoil is the reason why intermediate cartridges were introduced in the first place. Whereas PR currently is an argument for going back to battle rifles....

The 5.56mm ingame recoil feels right, but the 7.62mm recoil really needs to be much more like firing a WW2 M1 - brutal, noisy and difficult to control when firing rapidly

Lothrian · Post by **Lothrian** » 2007-06-26 21:01

I love the G3, but I kinda feel like I am cheating when using it

Its like an insta-death rail sniper nuke mini gun.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-06-26 21:02

You could be on track with something here...I know its been an on going debate forever as to the recoil of things. From my experience with a 7.26 round...after firing from a scope I wouldn't be able to instantly fire a second one without a bit of reaiming. The current G3 def has more kick than the 5.56 rd'er, which is good....but who knows, maybe everything needs a recoil boost?

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2007-06-26 21:07

Why do people think 7.62 caliber weapons should be so hard to control the recoil? Maybe if you let your 100lb lil sister shoot one full auto she might have a "view of the sky" but really it isn't omg recoil!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDVmJN35T8 he seems to have no problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr14_2Z2m0A that guy seems to dominate the uber recoil too.

So it would seem that an experienced shooter can compensate for the recoil when firing full auto.

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-06-26 21:11

thats what i said, she be less up and more left and right recoil as shown in the video.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2007-06-26 21:12

Now see this guy can't handle it so this is proof that knowing what you are doing makes all the difference. Notice how the other guy tells him to lean into it, like the guys who can handle it did in the previous two clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7F1X6jVo6c&NR=1

wazza_ni · Post by **wazza_ni** » 2007-06-26 21:12

SiN|ScarFace wrote:Why do people think 7.62 caliber weapons should be so hard to control the recoil? Maybe if you let your 100lb lil sister shoot one full auto she might have a "view of the sky" but really it isn't omg recoil!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDVmJN35T8 he seems to have no problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr14_2Z2m0A that guy seems to dominate the uber recoil too.

So it would seem that an experienced shooter can compensate for the recoil when firing full auto.

I think those two vids show that its fine the way it is....

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-06-26 21:18

Very true scareface...but when you are shooting through a scope etc...that amount of recoil as shown in the videos translates into a pretty big jump. So yeah in CQB that recoil doesn't effect you much...but when shooting through a scope at longer ranges the recoil obvously is more detrimental as your target is so much smaller. Maybe the G3 recoil is fine right now, I dont know as I haven't fire one. But I have fired similar caliber semi-auto rifles and the kick def moves your scope off a target a pretty decent amount even when firing from a rest. I do see this in the game though to an extent...it might be pretty spot on. Being that Strategist has actually fired these things, I'd be interested in hearing more from him...or anyone else with actual experience. TBO the recoil seems pretty sufficient right now...its not like you can full auto guys at 200-300 yrds right now...at least I can't.

wazza_ni · Post by **wazza_ni** » 2007-06-26 21:24

VipersGhost wrote: TBO the recoil seems pretty sufficient right now...its not like you can full auto guys at 200-300 yrds right now...at least I can't.

Yea true. Especially with the scope on the rifleman layout. Ive played around with it a bit and while going full auto while using the scope, it does tend to buck around quite a bit.

But like Viper said, strategist is probably the best man to discuss this with. The only thing ive ever fired was an SA80 (L85A1) so ive got no grounds to compare.

But personally speaking, im more than happy with the way it is now.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-06-26 21:32

How is the L85A1 IRL compared to in game?

If Chuck Norris is late, time better slow the f**k down

ahahahah

wazza_ni · Post by **wazza_ni** » 2007-06-26 21:41

I gotta say the Devs done a brilliant job. I never fired the SA80 with iron sights, only with the 4X scope on the rifle range. Wasnt even allowed to fire it on full auto

Gotta say though, that on single shot with the 4X scope its spot on.

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2007-06-26 22:01

No doubt shooting a G3 with optics even on single shot the sight picture will jump quite a bit, but how much would depend on if you were standing, kneeling or prone. I doubt they can edit recoil for each stance so I still say it's fine the way it is now.

SGT.Collado · Post by **SGT.Collado** » 2007-06-26 22:03

It definitely over powers the M16A2 issued on the USMC side. Would like to see M16A3/A4 next release

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WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-06-26 22:14

Controlling a weapon's recoil on full auto is all about stance, feet placement, lean, and not being afraid of the weapon. Not being afraid being the biggest part. Bend yours knee's, lean on the hips not your whole body, keep your feet further than shoulder width apart.

Lothrian · Post by **Lothrian** » 2007-06-26 22:17

How about the Barrett M468 for a USMC equivalent to the G3?
Wiki quote ...

While information regarding US military use of the Barrett M468 is murky, it has been reported by several reliable sources that some weapons are in current, if limited, use by US SOF(particularly the 5th Special Forces Group) in the GWOT[citations needed].

Remembering, PR is actually set in the near future, its reasonable to assume this may have been chosen as the main replacement to the ageing M16.

Alex6714 · Post by **Alex6714** » 2007-06-26 22:17

I think it is fine the way it is. There is no way I´m going to hit anything at range with the scoped G3 on auto.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-06-26 22:28

SGT.Collado wrote:It definitely over powers the M16A2 issued on the USMC side. Would like to see M16A3/A4 next release .

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How many times!?!?! The M16A4 is due for v0.7! And you've got 4x zooming iron sights for the rifleman to be going on with!

*picks SGT.Collado up by the lapels and shakes him violently, while shouting incoherently*

Remembering, PR is actually set in the near future, its reasonable to assume this may have been chosen as the main replacement to the ageing M16.

Not when both the Army and Marines are in the process of switching over their weapons to M4s and M16A4s, respectivly.