Squad Leader Wepon

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-07-04 08:06

Ive been watching a few war movies and TV shows lately and noticed that squad leaders (or other important ranking guys) dont carry the same wepon as the regular grunt they carry somthing diffrent
Ex: in the movei "Platoon" SSgt. Branes and Sgt.Elias use the Car 15 instead of M16
Ex 2: In the show "Over There" the sgt uses an M4

i was wondering if this could be applied in PR by giving the US/UK squad leaders M4s, giving the chinese QBZ-97 and giving and giving the mec the old AK-74U as for the militia and insurgent teams i think their squad leader kits are fine, id also like to see what the rest of you think of this idea

ReadMenace · Post by **ReadMenace** » 2007-07-04 08:27

Why is everyone obsessed with the AK74 & MEC?

Cheesygoodness · Post by **Cheesygoodness** » 2007-07-04 08:34

ReadMenace wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with the AK74 & MEC?

Actually they aren't obsessed with the AK74

They are obsessed with the AKS-74U.

Thats not the point. I personally love the AKS-74U to death. Own a AK-74. Love it to death as well.

But to make a better point. Your taking that data from of all things. Movies.

In the movie's most guys carry a Desert Eagle .50. That isn't a gun alot of military and police forces carry. Low magazine, Stupid high stopping power.

Movie's aren't the best place to get reality from. I love the thought of the AKS as a new weapon for the MEC, except that it doesn't belong. If you really really like this idea I'd suggest a more suitable weapon like the HK416. Or if you prefer the newer HK417 that uses the same NATO rounds the G3 uses.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 08:53

1. QBZ-95B. The QBZ-97 is a QBZ-95 chambered for 5.56x45mm

2. The British Army don't issue the M4, everyone in infantry units issued with a rifle gets an L85.

3. AKS-74U. Without the folding stock its rather less a useful weapon in its intended role.

4. If the MEC were to have a carbine for squad leaders it would probubly be the G3KA4 or MC51. Issuing squad leaders a weapon that uses a different kind of ammunition, magazine and that would require additional training isnt practical.

5. WHY? These weapons would be step down from their current scoped assault rifles (except for Malitia and Insurgents, who have a DMR and AR/UGL combo respectivly). There is no reason to give them weapons like this. All would be less powerful than the rifle they currently have now, less useful, would require new models, possibly new animations as well. And there is absolutely no advantage in it.

6. Oh, and just to make this clear, squad leaders in line infantry units in the US Army or Marines would carry M4 (fixed carry handle, safe-semi-burst) if they were to carry a carbine, not the M4A1 (removeable carry handle, safe-semi-auto).

KP · Post by KP » 2007-07-04 08:57

kristofer · Post by **kristofer** » 2007-07-04 09:00

Everyone loves playing the bad guy because it's fun, and the AK family is the bad guys signature weapon. I guess that's why people like it so much.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 09:04

Apart from they don't, as proven by the serial team switching nubs.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-04 09:05

How do we know the MEC is the bad guy? We don't. For all we know the US and GB decided to attack them for no reason.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 09:08

Well that would be the most logical position from what I can see. Its not like theres any maps where the MEC are invading the US, is there?

Those Feindish Infidels/Capitalists (delete as appropriate)!

Longbow* · Post by Longbow* » 2007-07-04 09:09

Bob_Marley wrote: 3. AKS-74U. Without the folding stock its rather less a useful weapon in its intended role.

Letter 'S' says Skladnoy , aka folding stock ...
Btw , why everybody make a mistake and compare AKSU and M4 ? Come on , russian counterpart of M4 is AKS , which is basic AK with folding stock but without shortened barrel . AKSU is used in the role of pdw , it is issued for police , helicopter & tank crews and rarely to officers . Actually , AKSU is a pdw because it's accuracy , stopping power & fire power are closer to MP5 then M4 . It was designed to be used in the role of pdw\smg , but with common AR round and magazines .

Bob_Marley wrote:4. If the MEC were to have a carbine for squad leaders it would probubly be the G3KA4 or MC51. Issuing squad leaders a weapon that uses a different kind of ammunition, magazine and that would require additional training isnt practical.

Agreed . I'd like to see G3KA4 in game , issued for SL's , specops and crewmen . Specops one may be fitted with reddot sight maybe..
MC51 is rather rare weapon though . I bet they can be purchased by any ME country , as they are actually been produced by H&K owned by British Royal Ordinance ...

kristofer · Post by **kristofer** » 2007-07-04 09:16

Expendable Grunt wrote:How do we know the MEC is the bad guy? We don't. For all we know the US and GB decided to attack them for no reason.

I didn't say they were the bad guy. I meant that using the AK makes it feel like you are playing the bad guy like in all of the movies.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 09:22

Actually the MC51 is currently produced by Imperial Defence Services Ltd. And it was never produced by H&K. Well the fact that it is indeed rather rare, as well as a rather insane weapon design (7.62x51mm in something the size of an MP5) means its the less likely of the 2 candidates.

But the MEC Crewman weapon should be the P90...

Letter 'S' says Skladnoy , aka folding stock ...

Yeah, thats my point. He said "AK-74U", which to my recollection doesn't exist.

Also, I wouldn't say that AKS series are comparible to the M4, the closest is proubly the AK102/4/5. Mind you, those arnt issue weapons.

Longbow* · Post by Longbow* » 2007-07-04 09:25

Bob_Marley wrote: also, I wouldn't say that AKS series are comparible to the M4, the closest is proubly the AK102/4/5. Mind you, those arnt issue weapons.

I mean , AK's with folding stock are actually used in USSR\Russian army in the role of M4 in US army ( not counting pdw role , thats what AKSU is supposed to do ) . AK10X family... I've only heared that special forces addopted AK103 . Not sure about 102,104 & 105 . Anyways , AKS-74 is wide spread all over ex-USSR counties , issued for special forces , airborne , marines and other units .

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 09:36

Ah, true. Though the US and Russia seem to be diverging on that point, with the US issuing carbines to all units (M4 replacing M16A2) while the Russians are moving over to full rifles with folding stocks as the general issue weapon for all units (AK-74M replacing AK-74 and AKS-74).

Post by **Spearhead** » 2007-07-04 10:32

Bob_Marley wrote:Well that would be the most logical position from what I can see. Its not like theres any maps where the MEC are invading the US, is there?

Those Feindish Infidels/Capitalists (delete as appropriate)!

Well if they didn't invade the USA why should be the bad guys? The US fight them at home so maybe they decided the MEC's home countries have tons of oil you just needed to pump into your tankers and ship home. But the USA would surely never do such a thing... would they?

I do not want to make this thread become political but I'm German and I know a war of aggression when I see one.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-07-04 10:39

OK chaps, lets get back on topic before we all get banned. I do not believe this is a good idea for the reasons outlined above.

Post by **bosco_** » 2007-07-04 11:01

I for one would like to see the SLs equipped with different weapons like the above mentioned M4.

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-07-04 11:06

A little variety within the bounds of what is really out there would be a good idea.

Jimmy_Smack · Post by **Jimmy_Smack** » 2007-07-04 13:13

In movies, characters carry a bow with explosive arrows that blow up a concrete bridge with one hit and a never ending supply of ammunition. (Rambo)