Squad Leader Wepon

Post by **A.J.Sawyer** » 2007-07-04 20:47

Where in the topic title does this thread state "Crewman Weapon"?

P90 for Tank Crewman

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-07-04 20:50

Wait, you guys are talking about the squad leader's weapon as soon as he respawns in the battle right? What about he officer kit then? Same two weapons for both squad leader weapon and officer kit?

knewman · Post by **knewman** » 2007-07-04 20:51

Well if the MEC Crewman gets the P90, the US and UK ought to get something cool... like the MP7?

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-07-04 20:53

US tank crewmen carry around the MP7? Since when...

KP · Post by KP » 2007-07-04 21:11

They don't. They carry the M4. And I think MEC deserve something cool, now that the US get the Army faction with their fancy M4s.

$kelet0r · Post by **$kelet0r** » 2007-07-04 21:43

I want to know how Bob intends to justify equipping tank crews with a weapon that is easily 3-4 times the cost of a G3 if not more AND is loaded with the extremely rare and extremely non-standard ammo it uses

G3KA4 all the way!

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-07-04 22:20

$kelet0r wrote:I want to know how Bob intends to justify equipping tank crews with a weapon that is easily 3-4 times the cost of a G3 if not more AND is loaded with the extremely rare and extremely non-standard ammo it uses

G3KA4 all the way!

Uh oooh Bobs guna have some crazy reason but im sure it will be rite.
I'm gunna jump on the bandwagon here P90 For MEC Crewman
Only if US/UK get MP7/M4/L85 carbine AFV

eddie · Post by **eddie** » 2007-07-04 22:58

I don't think Bob actually knows what he's saying here. He just wishes he could have some CS:S weapons in PR

AUG Bob?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-07-05 00:35

Back on topic, please

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-05 00:42

Alright.

I can bet, that if we give the SL a carbine, people will be SLs just for the weapon, like in the Insurgency mod...

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-07-05 01:37

I sure as hell won't be SL just because of the weapon. If I want to lead a squad, I don't want to be a l33tpwnz0r with my M4 with reddot, which, for some unexplained reason, a thousand times more popular than an M16.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-05 01:41

We're not talking about you and a handful of other good pub SLs, we're talking about general PR player population

Cheesygoodness · Post by **Cheesygoodness** » 2007-07-05 01:44

I assumed it was for the officer kit. Since its a squad leader only kit and you have to have a high number of people in your squad. Limiting l33t ub3r n00b killerz. But heck as I said from the beginning.

Its not exactly realistic.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-07-05 01:49

If squad leaders were to use different weapons, they would easierly be recognized.

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-07-05 02:11

El_Vikingo wrote:If squad leaders were to use different weapons, they would easierly be recognized.

Well, British SLs already get the "HAY IM A SL SHOOT HERE" berets. I think a weapon would be harder to notice. Not that I want SL specific weapons.

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-07-05 02:22

youm0nt wrote:Wait, you guys are talking about the squad leader's weapon as soon as he respawns in the battle right? What about he officer kit then? Same two weapons for both squad leader weapon and officer kit?

i proboblly should made the title of the thread that lol.....i meant for it to be in the officer kit, not when u spawn right away

DOAW · Post by **DOAW** » 2007-07-05 03:22

Bob_Marley wrote:6. Oh, and just to make this clear, squad leaders in line infantry units in the US Army or Marines would carry M4 (fixed carry handle, safe-semi-burst) if they were to carry a carbine, not the M4A1 (removeable carry handle, safe-semi-auto).

Actually, thats reversed. The M4 is safe-semi-full auto and the M4A1 is safe-semi-burst (unless you remove the burst limiter. But people get sad when you do that). You got the carrying handles correct though. Also, the M4A1 was adopted over the M4 in US Marine line infantry units; it's a rarity to see a true M4.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-07-05 03:34

DOAW wrote:Actually, thats reversed. The M4 is safe-semi-full auto and the M4A1 is safe-semi-burst (unless you remove the burst limiter. But people get sad when you do that). You got the carrying handles correct though. Also, the M4A1 was adopted over the M4 in US Marine line infantry units; it's a rarity to see a true M4.

No, I'm pretty sure Bob is correct. The M4 issued to conventional units does have a governed three-round burst. However, the removable carrying handle and rail interface system is on most of the M4s in front-line service, forming the M4 Modular Weapon System.

The Colt Model 720 series (14.5" barrel carbine) was the basis for the M4 carbine series; the 720 had a governed burst and an M16A2 upper receiver, the 723 had unrestricted full automatic fire and M16A1 pattern sights, and the 727 has the M16A2 upper with unrestricted full-auto. These had actually been used since the late 1980s in US Special Operations Forces (seeing action in Panama) prior to the official designation of "XM4" or "M4," and were just called by the troops the generic name for "shorty" M16 variants: CAR-15.

The Colt Model 927 formally adopted by US SOF as the M4A1 or M4A1 SOPMOD in the 1990s always had the removable carrying handle and unrestricted automatic fire. The Colt 920 was the basis for the M4 Modular Weapon System currently in service with front line Army units; now the Colt model number for this system is 979, and for the M4A1 it is 977.

Good article on it co-authored by one of our former mod tech advisors

http://www.specialoperations.com/Weapon ... fault.html

DOAW · Post by **DOAW** » 2007-07-05 04:16

Huh, thats weird. I did some research, and it would appear that you are correct. The "m4" I carried in Iraq was definitely 3 rd burst, but I'm almost positive that it was stamped m4a1. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-07-05 04:18

DOAW wrote:Huh, thats weird. I did some research, and it would appear that you are correct. The "m4" I carried in Iraq was definitely 3 rd burst, but I'm almost positive that it was stamped m4a1. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me.

It may have been. Things can just be weird like that, and I'm sure mis-stampings happen. Maybe it's like numismatics, and it makes it more valuable to a collector?