We the People

[Jeeves]

I love this game and have followed it since before it was released. I have felt apart of the community and apart of the mod. Yet lately when I come to the forums to get a glance at the upcoming releases and catch up on PR, I see the community divided. There are those that are taking the idealistic high road and trying to say play the game this way or don’t play. Then there are those that enjoy the mod but would prefer to play with a shorter spawn time. I for one do not like this but to each his own and as long as it is stated in the server name I have no problem letting bi-gons(sp?) be bi-gons. After all it is just a game.

When I saw the news release of an application in order to even have the “privilege” of running one of the .6 servers I was furious. You might say I have no right to be angry, but I disagree. It is this kind of elitist attitude that has been tearing this community apart. Instead of trying to force people to play a game your way; why not meet in the middle and do as I mentioned above. You could have spent less time and effort in adding a place in the server description or even the filter that shows spawn time (or filter short spawns). This way the game that you have created can appease both sides and grow the community larger instead of trying to cut it down in its prime. I do not see why you feel that every server out there needs to play by your 10 commandments and those alone. Look at all other games/mods out there; all of them have slightly different mods to appease those that want to play in that style. You don’t see the creators of those games/mods all up and arms and asking for applications because someone is playing there game differently than what they envisioned. Shouldn’t you just be happy that people are playing your game at all.

Now I am just voicing my opinion since I do (at least used to) feel apart of the community, but as I said lately there has been a class divide and it has become a “with us or against us” attitude. I saw mention that there were a few comments against this decision all ready that were censored, I feel this will be the same. You talk about community yet you censor those in the community that appose your dictatorship ways. Again this is your mod and ultimately you decide what will be done with it, I just wish you get off your high horse and focus on the game itself not the community. Leave the community to…well the community.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

I doubt they will censor you.
I won't even bother giving you a point by point explanation of why you are simply incorrect.
As El Vikingo would and will say ....search.

[Maverick--113]

Dictatorship ways??? The game is f***ing free. You should be thanking them. If they dont limit who can have servers, everyone will be on short spawn servers, and that just leads to more smacktards from vBF2.

[KingofCamelot]

Now I am just voicing my opinion since I do (at least used to) feel apart of the community, but as I said lately there has been a class divide and it has become a “with us or against us” attitude. I saw mention that there were a few comments against this decision all ready that were censored, I feel this will be the same. You talk about community yet you censor those in the community that appose your dictatorship ways. Again this is your mod and ultimately you decide what will be done with it, I just wish you get off your high horse and focus on the game itself not the community. Leave the community to…well the community.

Hahahahahaha. One of the funniest things I've read all day.

We rarely censor anyone, and if we do its because 90% of their post is full of curse words aimed at the Dev team. Need not worry about being censored around here.

I think you have the wrong attitude towards the new server policy. We are not trying to force things down someone's throat, but people really shouldn't think that they can run their server "anyway they please". Sure its their server, but its our mod. We aren't forcing them to run our mod, or do anything else with their server. What we ARE asking is that if you do choose to run the mod, to respect our wishes.

If we've come across as "elitest" to you, that surely was never our intention. I think your mis-interperting our passion for the gameplay that we have created. We have a strict image of how we'd like the mod to play out on servers, and we may perhaps come off as a little over-zealous in ensuring that it is played that way.

At the moment there is discussion in the Dev forums to allow for different server profiles which will allow for relaxed spawn times, with some trade-offs.

One last thing I'd like to point out. So long as modded servers show up along side our normal servers, we'll want to enforce some kind of control over them. If they showed up under their own filter, etc, that would be a lot better. Again, this is because it is OUR mod, and we'd like to have atleast some control over how the public experiences it. It can be rather frustrating at times to spent so much time carefully crafting the gameplay we'd like the mod to have only to see it changed, beyond our control.

[geogob]

Starting your own personal opinion by "We the people" is one of the most pretentious thing I've read on forums in a long time.

Obviously, the authors are free to distribute their content any way they see fit. They asked server admin for cooperation and their request was turned down. So they had to take appropriate measure to protect their work.

I would rather turn around and point my elbow at those who decided not to respect the wish of the developers, forcing them into this sad situation.

Anyone will still be able to get a PR server license they agree to respect the license agreements. It was also clearly stated that you would be able to play this game anyway you wanted, even with modification, on private servers. (But I still have to see that lisence agreement myself).

Think about it... this is what you do when you by ANY software. You pay, accept the license terms and install (whether you've read or no the license is irrelevant). In the case of PR, the license is free for the server, but registration is mandatory. This is nothing unusual in software licensing.

It has nothing to do with elitism, censorship. Time to get your feet back on the ground, with us in the real world.

[Jeeves]

I doubt they will censor you.
I won't even bother giving you a point by point explanation of why you are simply incorrect.
As El Vikingo would and will say ....search.

Then way to bring nothing to the discussion...was this reply just to get your post count up?

Dictatorship ways??? The game is f***ing free. You should be thanking them. If they dont limit who can have servers, everyone will be on short spawn servers, and that just leads to more smacktards from vBF2.

I do thank them for the game, but they really have nothing to do with the community (aside from being apart of it), they can not dictate how the community will play the game. As I said; can the two types of people not live in peace side by side playing the same mod? As long as those "smacktards" are playing on short spawn servers that I will never play on who cares! You are showing just the elitist attitude I am talking about. Death to all short spawners, get the torches!

I am simply posing a diplomatic solution to the problem, not a complete eradication of one side or the other.

[Teek]

Because a Modded PR server runs PR and is under the name of PR, thus people will think that PR is like that, which is horribly incorrect.

[Clypp]

The "License" is free. I think you misunderstand the reasoning for it. All the developers want is for servers to have the official rules being used. This avoids newcomers to the mod being turned off by how servers run on unsupported rules and blaming the devs. Server sided modding is very much like stealing someone's content and making it your own mod, something that is not admirable without permission.

Older versions of the mod that allow server sided modding are still available so you can still run 0.5 server sided mods forever if you were so inclined.

[eddie]

I do thank them for the game, but they really have nothing to do with the community (aside from being apart of it), they can not dictate how the community will play the game.

Wrong choice of words, wrong forum.

[Jeeves]

KingofCamelot']Hahahahahaha. One of the funniest things I've read all day.

We rarely censor anyone, and if we do its because 90% of their post is full of curse words aimed at the Dev team. Need not worry about being censored around here.

Sometimes it is hard to tell since the censored post are removed, what I was going off of was Eggs post in the comments mentioning that there were 3 post disagreeing with the news and no post to be scene.

KingofCamelot']I think you have the wrong attitude towards the new server policy. We are not trying to force things down someone's throat, but people really shouldn't think that they can run their server "anyway they please". Sure its their server, but its our mod. We aren't forcing them to run our mod, or do anything else with their server. What we ARE asking is that if you do choose to run the mod, to respect our wishes.

If we've come across as "elitest" to you, that surely was never our intention. I think your mis-interperting our passion for the gameplay that we have created. We have a strict image of how we'd like the mod to play out on servers, and we may perhaps come off as a little over-zealous in ensuring that it is played that way.

You are saying its our way or the highway, there is no middle ground. You have seen that there are hundreds of people that prefer the short spawn servers. If you force them all to stop then they will either play in normal servers (which I would prefer not since they tend to not play with teamwork) or not play at all, which would in turn lower the popularity of PR and bring less new people to play the game.

KingofCamelot']At the moment there is discussion in the Dev forums to allow for different server profiles which will allow for relaxed spawn times, with some trade-offs.

This I believe is the correct route to go, it keeps everyone happy and continues to let the community grow.

KingofCamelot']One last thing I'd like to point out. So long as modded servers show up along side our normal servers, we'll want to enforce some kind of control over them. If they showed up under their own filter, etc, that would be a lot better. Again, this is because it is OUR mod, and we'd like to have atleast some control over how the public experiences it. It can be rather frustrating at times to spent so much time carefully crafting the gameplay we'd like the mod to have only to see it changed, beyond our control.

What happens when there are 20,000 servers? Are you still going to try to inforce the one true law? You have created a game (a great game) and released it to the community. You will not always be able to control what the community does with your game. mini mods will come out for it just like all other games. Look at games like counter strike, call of duty, quake, etc. There are mini mods like gun game, reality mods, capture the flag games, etc. They all still come under said games filters, just with what mini mod it is in the title. With you guys trying to prevent this before the mod is even off the ground is like shooting your self in the foot with the starting pistol. I just want to see PR grow to the point where there is more than 1 or 2 servers to play on (with a low ping).

[eddie]

You are saying its our way or the highway, there is no middle ground. You have seen that there are hundreds of people that prefer the short spawn servers. If you force them all to stop then they will either play in normal servers (which I would prefer not since they tend to not play with teamwork) or not play at all, which would in turn lower the popularity of PR and bring less new people to play the game.

They don't want a massive player base, just the right audience.

[Jeeves]

Starting your own personal opinion by "We the people" is one of the most pretentious thing I've read on forums in a long time.

It was ment more as a joke seeing as how I am talking about the community being divided and all. No where do I say that my opinion is that of everyones.

Obviously, the authors are free to distribute their content any way they see fit. They asked server admin for cooperation and their request was turned down. So they had to take appropriate measure to protect their work.
I would rather turn around and point my elbow at those who decided not to respect the wish of the developers, forcing them into this sad situation.

The way I saw it was they said you will not have your servers with short spawns or you will not have your servers. And with this new application I believe I was correct.

Anyone will still be able to get a PR server license they agree to respect the license agreements. It was also clearly stated that you would be able to play this game anyway you wanted, even with modification, on private servers. (But I still have to see that lisence agreement myself).

Think about it... this is what you do when you by ANY software. You pay, accept the license terms and install (whether you've read or no the license is irrelevant). In the case of PR, the license is free for the server, but registration is mandatory. This is nothing unusual in software licensing.

It has nothing to do with elitism, censorship. Time to get your feet back on the ground, with us in the real world.

This liscense isnt about protecting their software. This liscense is about trying to control online gameplay, something that if you look at any game you have in your collection will tell you "game experience may change during online play." All I am saying is that you can not control how people play a game and to think you can is just well you head in the clouds.

[WNxKenwayy]

Then way to bring nothing to the discussion...was this reply just to get your post count up?



I do thank them for the game, but they really have nothing to do with the community (aside from being apart of it), they can not dictate how the community will play the game. As I said; can the two types of people not live in peace side by side playing the same mod? As long as those "smacktards" are playing on short spawn servers that I will never play on who cares! You are showing just the elitist attitude I am talking about. Death to all short spawners, get the torches!

I am simply posing a diplomatic solution to the problem, not a complete eradication of one side or the other.

Wow, the wording I would normally use would definitely get me banned from this forum for life, probably the internet. Suffice to say I hope you have a shorter lifespan than normal.

ANYWAYS. Are you absolutely retarded?

"they really have nothing to do with the community (aside from being apart of it)"

?????????????

That's like saying Suzuki has nothing to do with my motorcycle just because they built it. IF THEY DIDN"T FU**ING MAKE IT I WOULDN'T HAVE IT!!!!




You know what, chew on this for a second. Has it ever crossed that little mind of yours that maybe, JUST MAYBE, the dev's really really don't want smacktards like you who want short-spawn CS style gameplay being part of this community hm? Maybe they don't want to expand the player base to include rejects who just want to run around shooting the biggest gun they can find at the hillside. Maybe they called it Project REALITY because they wanted a community that appreciated the realism aspect of combat, which having absolutely 0 fear of death does not improve and is a massive step backward.

The dev's have every right to do wtfever they want to do with PR. If they want to make PR into a bunch of dancing panda bears waving gin bottles at each other while singing fe-fi-fo-fum I'm god damn english man, they can because they control what gets changed and what doesn't in this game.


I'm sick and tired of people who contribute a grand total of jack all to this community and great mod thinking they have any 'right' wtf so ever to anything dealing with PR besides the 'right' to install it.

How about if they devs simply said "Fine, play PR how you want, we are going to stop working on it kthnxbi". That's their 'right' isn't it? Then because of the selfish, childish desires of a very select few smacktards for whom this mod wasn't designed for in the first place, we all whom have contributed god knows how many hours of time actually making worthwhile contributions, lose this great form of entertainment completely.



No, you have no 'right' to play PR, no right to mod PR, no right to do anything at all with PR. Why? Because all it takes is for them to stop working on it and we have no more PR. You didn't pay money for it, there was no exchange of ownership.

God I hate people.

[Jeeves]

They don't want a massive player base, just the right audience.

Do you not rember the nights of wanting to play and logging in to find there is not a single person playing? Waiting in a server by yourself hoping that soon more than 2 people will come play with you. I for one do not want to go back to "the right audience" if it means I can not play when I want to.

[eddie]

Lol.... it's their modification, they can do what they want.

This liscense isnt about protecting their software. This liscense is about trying to control online gameplay, something that if you look at any game you have in your collection will tell you "game experience may change during online play." All I am saying is that you can not control how people play a game and to think you can is just well you head in the clouds.

The experience will change, it'll be more realistic...... Before people hop on the bandwagon, I said MORE REALISTIC not "true to real life".

[IAJTHOMAS]

Every game has its terms of use for servers which ensure that a game is played in a specific way, e.g. no pistol/knife servers for vBF2. These are just PRs rules. If you don't want to abide by them, don't play PR.

And the devs have EVERTHING to do with the community. Without their work in creating the mod there would be no community at all.

[Jeeves]

TL/DR

Wow, do you see me personaly attacking anyone? What made you think that comming across so violently was a good idea, did I kill your mother. Telling me to have a shorter lifespan, jesus who is the imature little kid here? Grow up kid.

To address what little you had to contribute.

That's like saying Suzuki has nothing to do with my motorcycle just because they built it. IF THEY DIDN"T FU**ING MAKE IT I WOULDN'T HAVE IT!!!!

They made the bike but did they make the gang (or what ever you kids call it now adays) that rides together...you know the community of bikers.

Yes they made the product (well moddified someone elses product) and then gave it to the people to play. Everyone will play it differently, just as everyone will do everything differently that is what makes people people. Read my post above for the rest of where this is going.

Again I am not trying to come off as a combative, I was more trying to bring up the fact there are other (more diplomatic) options to the problem. Removing players and denying servers is not the way to go IMO.

[WNxKenwayy]

Do you not rember the nights of wanting to play and logging in to find there is not a single person playing? Waiting in a server by yourself hoping that soon more than 2 people will come play with you. I for one do not want to go back to "the right audience" if it means I can not play when I want to.

No, I never have had that problem. Why? Because, unlike you obviously, I'm actually part of the 'community'. I don't contribute 1/10 as much as most, but still. So whenever I want to play I join my clans TS, my teams tourny TS, or the tester teamspeak to see who all is on and get together on one server.

If you had any sense you'd realize games become popular by being different, by being unique. If PR was nothing more than vBF2 with better guns, we wouldn't be having this conversation because it would have died out months ago.

[eddie]

God I hate people.

We may be related...

[IAJTHOMAS]

Lol.... it's their modification, they can do what they want.



The experience will change, it'll be more realistic...... Before people hop on the bandwagon, I said MORE REALISTIC not "true to real life".

That's about te potential for there to be swearing/adult content that would have given the game a higher rating had it been a part of the game itself, nothing to do with changing the way the game is played.

And as you can quite obviusly see, there is no worry with me not finding a populated server to play on. The beta usually has about 3, let alone the current full release.