Some Weapons Loadouts...

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2005-12-02 05:36

that I think should be used for a few of the USMC classes

United States Marine Corps

Rifleman:

M16A4 (5 mags)
2x M67
2x M18

Grenadier:

M16A4 (5 mags)
M203
2x 40mm HE
2x M18

Automatic Rifleman:

M249 (2 drums)
1x M67
1x M18

Also, isn't the SRAW a disposable weapon? If so, doesn't that mean the AT infantry should only be able to carry one?

Maybe, they could randomly be given to a player when he spawns, but the number of players with SRAWs would be an incredibly small number.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-12-02 05:42

Cerberus wrote:Also, isn't the SRAW a disposable weapon? If so, doesn't that mean the AT infantry should only be able to carry one?

Yes, the Predator SRAW is a single-shot disposable, inertial guided fire-and-forget weapon. But right now we have nothing with which to replace it. It will probably be changed to a Javelin or SMAW eventually, with other service-specific options (like the M3 MAAWS/RAAWS) to come later.

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-12-02 06:21

Just so you're aware, this is what the Javelin does to tanks:

https://mfcbastion.external.lmco.com/mfc/videolibrary/JAVELIN-LiveFire_PG.mpg

(i think the SMAW would be much more feasable)

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2005-12-02 06:32

Force Recon used a AT-4's in Iraq... why not use one of those?

Also, Javelin FTW!!!

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-12-02 06:39

Cerberus wrote:Force Recon used a AT-4's in Iraq... why not use one of those?

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']The Bofors AT-4 (US M136) . . . is not the weapon of a dedicated anti-armor specialist, it is a single-shot, disposable light anti-armor weapon. A few riflemen in each US squad may carry a single M136.

"Full-time" anti-armor specialists carry reusable ATGM launchers (Javelin), rocket launchers (SMAW [USMC]) or recoilless rifles (M3 RAAWS [75th Ranger Regiment]) and operate in teams of at least two.

This having been said, a single AT-4/M136 may be a kit option or random item in the (US) rifleman class.

And, of course, weapons of the same class (LAW-80, ILAW, RPG-22/26, etc.) will find their way into the rifleman classes of the appropriate nation-state teams.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2005-12-02 06:57

Oops... Javelin & SMAW FTW!

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2005-12-02 07:29

'[R-PUB wrote:GRB']Just so you're aware, this is what the Javelin does to tanks:

https://mfcbastion.external.lmco.com/mfc/videolibrary/JAVELIN-LiveFire_PG.mpg

(i think the SMAW would be much more feasable)

that video never gets old

altho supposedly they rigged the inside

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-12-02 08:00

Well maybe this one is better:https://mfcbastion.external.lmco.com/mf ... avelin.mpg

After viewing this one, the Javelin doesnt seem as powerful as it does in that other video. But it's still extreme.

It's possible that they rigged it, but then again, it could have just been because of the type of vehicle.

Armand61685 · Post by **Armand61685** » 2005-12-02 08:49

damn, what a rediculously large explosion

Gunfighter34ID · Post by **Gunfighter34ID** » 2005-12-02 15:57

I guess those lucky guys today don't have to deal with the lovely Dragon. That top attack is the way to go. Not much armor on that top deck.

Mad Max · Post by **Mad Max** » 2005-12-02 17:08

'[R-PUB wrote:GRB']Well maybe this one is better:https://mfcbastion.external.lmco.com/mf ... avelin.mpg

After viewing this one, the Javelin doesnt seem as powerful as it does in that other video. But it's still extreme.

It's possible that they rigged it, but then again, it could have just been because of the type of vehicle.

Yes, the other one was Rigged by Boeing (who make the Javelin). Tanks don't explode like that unless full of high explosives. Even a hellfire doesn't do that much damage to a T-72.

Gunfighter34ID · Post by **Gunfighter34ID** » 2005-12-02 18:06

Damage did seem pretty excessive, but as far as I know the Javelin is a top-attack weapon, and the T-64 and later use a separate charge system and autoloader arrangement. Hit that thing on top and cook off the ammo the pressure inside the vehicle is going to be tremendous and probably cause a catastrophic kill like that. And yeah, the Hellfire is a much more powerful missile, but where, when, and how you hit it has almost as much importance as what you hit it with, providing you're able to penetrate the armor.

What really matters is that you kill it, not how high the turret pops in the air if it cooks off.

GRB · Post by **GRB** » 2005-12-02 18:43

All I know is that the SRAW PREDATOR has to be removed.

Here is a video of what it does: https://mfcbastion.external.lmco.com/mfc/videolibrary/PREDATOR.mpg

Notice how it explodes in the air ABOVE the tank and sends a charge down into it, completely destroying it in ONE hit.

There's not really a way to mimic something like that in a game. Especially considering it's fire and forget.

The fact that EA Games took a fire and forget Anti-Tank System and made it into a laser wire guided system is just obsured. Something definatly has to be done about it because the unrealistic logic of this whole situation is making me sick...

Post by **Hitperson** » 2005-12-04 17:45

Yep i agree the SRAW in the game is **** no way could you wire guide a shoulder launced missile it would have to be a huge launcher.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2005-12-04 18:14

Hitperson wrote:Yep i agree the SRAW in the game is **** no way could you wire guide a shoulder launced missile it would have to be a huge launcher.

Not true. The Eryx used in-game by the MEC and PLA is in real-life a SACLOS wire-guided missile. Not a huge launcher, but it is pretty bulky.

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2005-12-04 18:26

Hitperson wrote:Yep i agree the SRAW in the game is **** no way could you wire guide a shoulder launced missile it would have to be a huge launcher.

This is not true We used a anti armor weapon in the marines that many nicnamed the green dragon it was a wire guided shoulder launched weapon.

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2005-12-04 18:30

The M47 Dragon (developmental designation FGM-77) is an American shoulder-fired man-portable anti-tank missile system.

It used a wire-guidance system in concert with a High explosive anti-tank warhead and was capable of defeating armored vehicles, fortified bunkers, Main Battle Tanks and other hard targets. While it was primarily created to defeat the Soviet Union's T-55, T-62, and T-72 tanks, it has since seen action up into the current era including the Gulf War. The U.S. Armed Forces officially retired the weapon in the late 1990s; however stocks of the weapon remain in arsenals.

In use by the U. S. Army, the U. S. Marine Corps, as well as many foreign militaries the design was first fielded in 1975. The effective range of the Dragon was 1000 meters, with the rocket traveling 100 meters per second, guided by an infrared sight. The operator had to remain kneeling and had to guide the missile into its target, which exposed him to enemy fire.

The Dragon was upgraded to the designation Dragon II in 1985 when its penetration effectiveness was increased. Reaching its current designation of Super-Dragon in 1990, it was capable of penetrating 18 inches (450 mm) of armor at a maximum effective range of 1,500 meters.

The launcher system of the Dragon consists of a smoothbore fiberglass tube, breech/gas generator, tracker, bipod, battery, sling, and forward and aft shock absorbers. In order to fire the weapon non-integrated day or night sights must be attached. While the launcher itself was expendable, the sights can be removed and reused.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... Dragon.jpg