small suggestio - G36

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-08-03 13:57

personally i love the G3, tho i think the 20 round mag dose not quite cut it when assaulting a position of room or in CQB , so i was thinking add the G36 ?

its Heckler & Koch so goes with the G3 , but it has 30 round mag to compete with other rifles in CQB ?

what do you think ? is it needed ? is it worth it ?

Post by **dbzao** » 2007-08-03 14:00

Why would we change a rifle that we took an entire development cycle to add to the game?

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-08-03 14:05

I disagree. The G36 IS cool, but the G3 makes MEC different. They're the only faction that fields a battle rifle, compared to all the others which field assault rifles. This gives MEC a different (often ignored) dynamic. The G3 isn't a "room clearing" weapon -- it's recoil and mag size sucks for that. It's a longer ranged engagement weapon. MEC I think is the only faction that can actually BENEFIT from SF in an organized squad for clearing a room, as their 5.56 weapon is easier to control in CQB.

swiftdraw · Post by **swiftdraw** » 2007-08-03 14:46

Expendable Grunt wrote:I disagree. The G36 IS cool, but the G3 makes MEC different. They're the only faction that fields a battle rifle, compared to all the others which field assault rifles. This gives MEC a different (often ignored) dynamic. The G3 isn't a "room clearing" weapon -- it's recoil and mag size sucks for that. It's a longer ranged engagement weapon. MEC I think is the only faction that can actually BENEFIT from SF in an organized squad for clearing a room, as their 5.56 weapon is easier to control in CQB.

+1

My thoughts exactly, this is why I love the MEC in game.

Hardtman · Post by **Hardtman** » 2007-08-03 15:07

Not good because:

1)It won't really fit into MEC,since Afaik the G36 isn't produced in that area,while the G3 is. That it is also produced by H&K doesn't necesserily mean that they have acces to it. The G36 is kinda costly while the G3 should come quite cheap for the MEC since it is produced in that area.

2)Also, the MEC's equipment is generally a bit older,not much high-tech,but high-quality nonetheless; the feel wouldn't be right.

3) The G36 would just be too über

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Long Bow · Post by **Long Bow** » 2007-08-03 15:10

I think the thread title is a bit off, "small change" Would it not be a big deal to model and skin this as well figure out what kit it will be placed with?

Personally the G3 is just fine for room clearing. I reload before going in and if I need more then 20 rounds to clean house, I shouln't have gone in in the first place.

It would be nice to see the G36 in game just because it's new content but I don't think we "need" it.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-08-03 15:11

i was thinking of how the MEC would work in real life and my general idea was that it would be 2 distinct forces the Mecanized forces(which we currently have) then a kind of armed police force responsible for civil defence or some such, you wouldnt see them armed with g36's but perhaps AK's and SMG's, but expanding on that idea again perphaps later down the line you could see the more elite Mec force added such as a paratrooper force or a Royal guard force from a set nation.

i know its not the best idea in the world and more work but im throwing it out there, as a little diversity is great

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-08-03 15:58

Expendable Grunt wrote: MEC I think is the only faction that can actually BENEFIT from SF in an organized squad for clearing a room, as their 5.56 weapon is easier to control in CQB.

but isnt the G36 smaller than G3 and has 5.56 , perfect for a CQB class ?

DavidP · Post by **DavidP** » 2007-08-03 16:01

swiftdraw wrote:+1

My thoughts exactly, this is why I love the MEC in game.

Lol this aint bf2s.

Op i disagree the G3 forces people to work together, You cant just go and solo with the M16 and AK47 in most situations.

Hfett · Post by **Hfett** » 2007-08-03 16:07

G3 is the best rifle ingame imo

it dosent need 30 rounds since it only take 1 or 2 to take down an enemy

Just dont use it on full auto, and you will see how good g3 is

KP · Post by KP » 2007-08-03 16:09

This has been suggested before. You've been here long enough to know that, long enough to know how to use the search function and also long enough to know that the G3 will not be replaced.

gazzthompson wrote:but isnt the G36 smaller than G3 and has 5.56 , perfect for a CQB class ?

So is the HK53. It's also shorter than most G3 variants.

And I like the G3, BTW. Lovely weapon, powerful, accurate, and as with most H&Ks, sexy.

On another G3 note: the Norwegian military's going to upgrade 2500 of their G3s (known in Norway as AG-3) to this:

The others will be replaced by the HK416.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-08-03 16:17

oooo, that's pretty...unoriginal. Slapping some rails on an old weapon,I swear I've seen that happen somewhere else..hmmmm

. That said, it does look GREAT!

EDIT: Didn't notice the retractable stock...that's pretty...cool! Yeah, I retract my previous comment.

KP · Post by KP » 2007-08-03 16:20

It looks butt ugly.

Why didn't they go with the original and just make it a flat-top?

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-08-03 16:29

meh , u cant search for g36 so.... but i just don't like the 20 round mag , u storm a place and kill a load of people , then get killed loading , its annoying ,but i see ur point.

KP · Post by KP » 2007-08-03 16:49

Check the already suggested thread. It's there.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-08-03 17:30

How can anyone complain about the G3? It is most CERTAINLY a room clearer, you just have to dive in or take a knee and rip off 3-4 rounds at a time. You can easily drop 2-3 guys QUICK with that thing. The other guns...not so much, as they dont kill quick enough. If I'm in CQB there is no other gun I'd rather have...the thing is murder. Not to mention its hell on wheels as a marksmen rifle

You can also use it on full-auto yet just tap for the single/double shot....ah nice. I'd love to be able to play with a G36 but who wouldn't? In battle I'd still take the current G3 over it though..feels like cheating until it gets reworked a bit!

Longbow* · Post by Longbow* » 2007-08-03 17:52

AK-47 - best room cleaner

Almost as lethal as G3 and 30rds magazines .

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-08-03 17:59

VipersGhost wrote:How can anyone complain about the G3? It is most CERTAINLY a room clearer, you just have to dive in or take a knee and rip off 3-4 rounds at a time. You can easily drop 2-3 guys QUICK with that thing. The other guns...not so much, as they dont kill quick enough. If I'm in CQB there is no other gun I'd rather have...the thing is murder. Not to mention its hell on wheels as a marksmen rifle You can also use it on full-auto yet just tap for the single/double shot....ah nice. I'd love to be able to play with a G36 but who wouldn't? In battle I'd still take the current G3 over it though..feels like cheating until it gets reworked a bit!

Very true, the G3 without the scope is real killer too. I was playing Kashan Desert as MEC and my squad and I were holding out the second floor bunker. I'm all alone on the second floor of bunker, enemy squad comes in from the stairs from the roof and about four of them where behind a wall and I just killed all of them using about two or three magazines with the ironsight G3. I felt pretty bad killing them because they tried so hard to capture the bunkers... MEC ultimately won the map. Right now the reload times for the G3A3 and M16A2 are the same at 4.4 seconds (that is, if the devs didn't edit their reload times). Perhaps the G3A3 should have a slower reload time than the M16A2?

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-08-03 19:56

Why?

An MEC rifleman carries 90 less rounds for his rifle than the equivelant in the other factions. Thats quite a disadvantage in a sustained firefight, especially with the new more limited sources of ammo.

@KP - see sig. Also, why have they gone with the old style convex retracting stocks rather than the new concave ones? H&K do them a deal on ones they don't want any more?

EDIT - it would appear that H&K never made a concave slither stock for the G3, but did for the HK33/53, MP5, G41, etc

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-08-03 21:59

Bob_Marley wrote:Why?

An MEC rifleman carries 90 less rounds for his rifle than the equivelant in the other factions. Thats quite a disadvantage in a sustained firefight, especially with the new more limited sources of ammo.

@KP - see sig. Also, why have they gone with the old style convex retracting stocks rather than the new concave ones? H&K do them a deal on ones they don't want any more?

EDIT - it would appear that H&K never made a concave slither stock for the G3, but did for the HK33/53, MP5, G41, etc

Hey Bob, come on now...when was the last time you ran out of ammo and couldn't get any more G3 rounds? EVERYONE is a rifleman as MEC, and the minute you do run out of ammo then you've got a magic bag full of it...plus all your buddies do too.