Michael M. wrote:This mod could end up being played by the thousands, and just one or two of those thousands would've probably been affected by suicide bombings and the London attack.
Flip that around, it could be played by someone who lost a brother to the US forces in one of the numerous friendly fire incidents against coalition troops. That's not a reason for leaving the US forces out of the game.
War is hell, it's an evil abomination, I'm sure we all know that. Can't make a war sim without including evil tools of slaughter, violence and oppression. I'd say a Suicide Bomber insurgent class, modelled to look very similar to normal civvies, would be a good thing. Especially when the coalition forces wise up and stop cutting civs down indescriminately like they do at the moment. Would realistically simulate the "any one could be an insurgent" feeling that is prevalent in Iraq and similar theatres of operation.
Old thread...but it's ****. Last thing we need is players thinking the MEC is a steriotypical suicidal "do it all for allah" raghead army, and not a conventional fighting force.
Former [DM] captain.
The fact that people are poor or discriminated against doesn't necessarily endow them with any special qualities of justice, nobility, charity or compassion. - Saul Alinsky
We do play with an insurgent sqaud that does have towels on their heads and do suicide bombings. Has anyone played Al Basrah or what? Am I missing something here?
VipersGhost wrote:We do play with an insurgent sqaud that does have towels on their heads and do suicide bombings. Has anyone played Al Basrah or what? Am I missing something here?
I've not actually seen anyone suicide C4. Probably because the whole "weapon change, get C4 out, use clacker" before you get shot is tough.
Terranova wrote:WTF! You guys are talking to people who made this post almost 2 years ago!
Yah, but "Suicide Bombers" isn't on the "already suggested" suggestions list, and this is the closest matching thread that the "search" function pops up.
If you cannot find it here, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. The search function can be found here.
The fact that people are poor or discriminated against doesn't necessarily endow them with any special qualities of justice, nobility, charity or compassion. - Saul Alinsky
Yeah I'm beginning to write a backstory for MEC to submit to the devs, just not done yet.
Former [DM] captain.
The fact that people are poor or discriminated against doesn't necessarily endow them with any special qualities of justice, nobility, charity or compassion. - Saul Alinsky
Good idea, But only for the Insurgent team.
As said by Guerra, Standing Armies don't utilize suicide tactics unless it's a really dire situation.
Also, this suggestion is not in bad taste. We have Guns in game which are used to slaughter innocent people, so why not bombs? They only difference is the person doing the killing is taking themselves out as well.
Personally my favorite rendition of this suggestion is having a limited civilian kit in Insurgency that has a bomb strapped to his chest. The only give away being that you can only just see it poking out of his jacket.
I think the idea of suicide bombers, although highly controversial, is still highly apt to the modern warfare our boys are currently suffering in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also think it would be sad for the devs not to discuss its inclusion within the game on the reason that it might offend someone.
On the other hand we as players would be feeding the steroetype, suggesting every insurgent force uses suicide bombers and kills civilians. The only reason we don't hear about these groups is because they don't make the headlines.
I'm still undecided to whether there inclusion into the game would be a good direction for the mod, but i don't think ruling it out at this time would be wise. Lets sit on it for a while, whilst we listen to other ideas.
Still doesn't answer the question of who, out of many insurgent/guerrilla movements, routinely targets and kills unarmed men, women and children while committing suicide ?
I wonder if there is a connection between what they think will happen after they die and their willingness to kill not only themselves but others who, by the random nature of their attacks, may or may not support their cause, be a member of their religion/sect or share ethnicity ?
And as the windshield melts
My tears evaporate
Leaving only charcoal to defend.
Finally I understand the feelings of the few.
The Nihilist Movement in Russia killed Czar Alexander II in 1881 with several bombs, one of which also killed the man carrying it. It wasn't a true suicide bombing in that the bomber didn't intend to die, but even when he could see he was in danger, he detonated the bomb anyway. Also, although it didn't target civilians, the Japanese and Vietnamese used suicide bombings during WWII and the First Indochina War, respectively, to destroy enemy assets. I don't know about the other groups, but kamikazes were taught that they would be deemed 'honorable' if they died defending Japan.
JoetheMoe: actually a shotgun made for killing people can kill u from 30 to 50 yards
MadCat2400: As opposed to a shotgun made for baking cakes?
The MEC are fake and we all seem to know that. But they defiantly do not kill themselves. If the MEC were real, they would probably have been trained by the USA to help fight insurgents. Their tactics would be much like the USA's and if you check in game... they are. So all in all I do believe this could be a valid addition for the insurgent team in the realistic sense, but not in the game play sense. The Blow up cars are already implemented and they should be good enough because they limit the killings to mainly vehicles. If there was a "Suicide Kit" it would cause a loss of fun for major amounts of people, If you don't believe me just think back to when the engineer would throw 1 C4 then blow it up immediately after it was thrown..... remember that?
