My take on PR's Russia background

[KomradePedrovsk]

I've noticed the PR Devs seem to have decided to place Russia side by side with the US and the UK in Team 2. I think this is a bit out of place considering the recent events that you all must know of by now (Russia against US missile defence, UK's RAF intercepting Russian bombers etc).

I know this has already been discussed in private forums, but here's what I think on the issue:

I understand that we couldn't have Russia fighting Militia and US/UK since Militia is Team 1 and US/UK is Team 2.

But why not have the Militia on Team 2 also?

This way we couldn't have any US or UK vs Militia maps, yes, but I think it doesn't make much sense to have US/UK vs Militia anyway.

A real-life example would be that you don't/haven't see/seen the US or UK fighting the Chechnyans.

In my opinion it would make much more sense to have something like US/UK funding the Militia to distract Russia and Russia/China/MEC funding the Insurgents to distract US/UK.

Team 1: Russia, China, MEC, Insurgents (funded by Russia/China/MEC)
Team 2: US, UK, Militia (funded by US/UK)

China and Russia usually seem to have common interests and ideas, just like the US and UK. For example they are both part of the SCO (click), which is speculated to counterbalance NATO, in which US/UK are part of as we all know.

Also we'll be having more armies on Team 2 (Canada? Poland?) so number of armies on each team could be balanced a bit more.

I understand the PR Dev team wouldn't want to do the swap if they have already made maps with US or UK vs Militia, or if the Team 1 to Team 2 swap isn't something as simple as editing a line of text.

But then it would be just like replacing US and UK with Russia on those maps, like it's being done with Mestia.

I doubt my opinion will make much difference, as I'm not a prominent member of the PR community, Dev or Beta tester or whatever, but I would like to know what the rest of you think of this Militia-Russia swaping teams.

I'm just expressing what I think makes more sense here...

Thanks!

[GeZe]

<smacks forehead>

Here we go again.


IronTaxi wants Assault on Mestia (and possible some of his other future maps) to be UK v. Militia. It's not changing.

edit:

Also, there are already China v. Russia maps in development... so the point is even more moot.

[KomradePedrovsk]

Just wanted to know other's opinion sorry.

Even if nothing is going to change I just felt I wanted others to know what I think about it.

[Rhino]

also its not the dev team making the Russian faction its a community mod team

and just so you get the correct info.

GB, US (and eveantly Russia) will be Team 2

PLA, MEC, Ins, Militia, etc are Team 1

[Bob_Marley]

Why shouldn't the Brits and Americans be fighting Malita factions? Not all Malitias are in Chechnya, you know. They could be fighting in the Bulkans or some such.

There is already a precident for "team 2" to include Russia (songhua stalemate, which will be returning) and also, who knows what will happen in the next 10 years (roughly the time between now and PR)? Relations with Russia may well have warmed up again, the Russians might feel that by joining the war on the American side they're protecting their future as an oil producer, or will at least be able to sell oil at marked up prices to their allies, who cannot get it from the Middle East. There are any number of reasons why the Russians might choose to side with "team 2" over "team 1"

[GeZe]

I don't view them as "teams" per se. The Russians are not fighting the for the "American" side. They are simply fighting the Chinese while the US are doing the same, coincidence (or perhaps taking advantage of the opportunity, making a land grab while the Chinese are occupied fighting the US)

[KomradePedrovsk]

Why shouldn't the Brits and Americans be fighting Malita factions? Not all Malitias are in Chechnya, you know. They could be fighting in the Bulkans or some such.

There is already a precident for "team 2" to include Russia (songhua stalemate, which will be returning) and also, who knows what will happen in the next 10 years (roughly the time between now and PR)? Relations with Russia may well have warmed up again, the Russians might feel that by joining the war on the American side they're protecting their future as an oil producer, or will at least be able to sell oil at marked up prices to their allies, who cannot get it from the Middle East. There are any number of reasons why the Russians might choose to side with "team 2" over "team 1"

You have a point there, but I personally always found Russia vs US games interesting (I'm an avid OFP fan ). Yes I could go to PoE 2 for that, but I prefer PR's realistic approach to the modern warfare gameplay.

But in the end I also think US/UK vs Russia maps would be similar to US/UK vs MEC maps, due to similar equipment, and unfortunately not that interesting for some people...

I don't view them as "teams" per se. The Russians are not fighting the for the "American" side. They are simply fighting the Chinese while the US are doing the same, coincidence (or perhaps taking advantage of the opportunity, making a land grab while the Chinese are occupied fighting the US)

Hmm true, but I'm actually seeing Russia helping the Chinese, rather than taking advantage. This is just because almost every time I see the news regarding Iraq and Iran it's almost always "Russia and China think that..." and "Russia and China don't think that..." etc. But then who am I to talk seriously about this. I don't know much more about of the diplomacy between them besides what I hear from the news.
For example they are both part of the SCO (click), which is speculated to counterbalance NATO, in which US/UK are part of as we all know.

Instead of China in the Chinese maps Russia vs China, there could be UK or US vs Russia, as if it was Russia trying to help defend China.

If I, or anyone else who agrees with me, can't convince IronTaxi or any PR Dev with all this in mind (unfortunately highly unlikable, since it seems it has already been decided) I won't complain of course. After all it's their Mod, so they are free to develop it as any way they see fit obviously. In retail games there is usually no way to suggest developing teams about the things they are developing, so I am happy I can at least leave my input regarding Mod developments like PR .

[IronTaxi]

<smacks forehead>

IronTaxi wants Assault on Mestia (and possible some of his other future maps) to be UK v. Militia. It's not changing.

if i may correct the good lad geeze..


i would love assualt on mestia to become a russian map! im much more fond of the russians than the brits TBH..hehe (just remember maps are like babies to the mappers...gotta protect our babies!)


as far as future maps i think they may likely become russian maps IF the russians make it into the mod on time and with the proper amount of assets...(which it looks like they might do!)

as far as who is fighting who...i would hate to think that the reality of the current world situation will continue to take the direction it is as far as russian and US relationships... would they ever actually come to anything but very limited tit for tat blows? not in a million years....neither country can truly afford financially the implications...

[GeZe]

if i may correct the good lad geeze..


i would love assualt on mestia to become a russian map! im much more fond of the russians than the brits TBH..hehe (just remember maps are like babies to the mappers...gotta protect our babies!)


as far as future maps i think they may likely become russian maps IF the russians make it into the mod on time and with the proper amount of assets...(which it looks like they might do!)

Well, I am certainly glad that you corrected me. I did not know this.

[ReaperMAC]

Cant wait to see the Ruskies

[Ecko]

Is it not possible too simply duplicate each team for both "Team 1" and "Team 2", May take up more space but than it gives mappers more freedom.

[Metis-M]

I agree, Russia shouldnt fight chinese, but for some reasons not only here in game also on political discussions many want it see so that China would attack Russia for sibiria, dont know why they think so, maybe its a wish.

[nicoX]

US Marines VS Chinese Marines.

[KomradePedrovsk]

as far as who is fighting who...i would hate to think that the reality of the current world situation will continue to take the direction it is as far as russian and US relationships... would they ever actually come to anything but very limited tit for tat blows? not in a million years....neither country can truly afford financially the implications...

Indeed, but isn't having US vs Chinese already kinda the same situation? I think Russia-China relations are better than Russia-US relations at the moment. I also thought it could "balance", if you may, the Teams, so there is approximately the same number of armies on each side, considering we'll have Poland and Canada on Team 2.

This might be an interesting read, even though the thread starter has gone a bit over the top.

Ah well, I'm at least grateful that the Russians are making it into the mod thanks to GeZe and the rest of the crew working on them.

[Long Bow]

Is it not possible too simply duplicate each team for both "Team 1" and "Team 2", May take up more space but than it gives mappers more freedom.

I think that the Devs said they did not wish to do this, it would make the mod huge but there could have been other issues, I don't remeber all the comments on it.

[KP]

Go read The Bear and The Dragon by Tom Clancy. Not too unrealistic a scenario, if you ask me (except for the Russia-joining-NATO bit, perhaps). Chinese forces move to seize natural resources - oil, gold, etc. - on Russian soil, and Russian forces move against them to defend their homeland.

[77SiCaRiO77]

¡ rusia has a lot of bussines and money in china , i really doubt that both will fight each other .


and about making rusia team 1 and team 2 , is possible , it didnt take to much space (i guess) because will be just add some code , no new models becouse both rusia 1 and rusia 2 will share the same models .

[Leo]

¡ rusia has a lot of bussines and money in china ,

So does the USA and China, though

[GeZe]

Yes, for anyone saying how absurd Russia and China fighting, think how absurd the US and China fighting is.

[Longbow*]

Yes, for anyone saying how absurd Russia and China fighting, think how absurd the US and China fighting is.

Problem may be solved with replacement of PLA with NK army . Not sure about new China's stuff , but NK & China are old allies so it is possible that they lend-lease all this stuff for their northern brother which is fighting imperialists in their motherland