Mountain Man mode

pasfreak · Post by **pasfreak** » 2007-08-28 17:31

I think PR should move into Afghanistan

U.S. Special Forces vs. Taliban insurgency

SF would have an array of weapons, mostly M4s, Mk. 12s, m240's, nades, SIGs, etc. they can also call in airstrikes

taliban would have ONLY ak-47s and extra ammo (maybe a grappling hook as well)
and an RPG kit with ONLY an RPG-7 plus a few extra shots.
there would also be a support kit that carries extra ammo and a few field dressings for everyone.
there will also be a civillian/goat herder/farmer kit that would carry only an ak-47 with 1 magazine. If SF shoots them, they lose 10 tickets, however this kit is free to harass SF, but their main objective is to give away the position of SF.

the goal of SF is to follow given waypoints towards an objective.
the waypoints do not count towards ticket bleed or score, but the need to be capped in order for the final objective to be taken

the Taliban may ambush SF at any time. (their minimap may have a map showing different hard to find pathways through the map)

Hardtman · Post by **Hardtman** » 2007-08-28 17:58

Please,please for Godzilla's sake no special forces.

What you described sounds like a gigantic fragfest, kinda like Helmland at the time is.
You can hardly make a mountanous terrain in a way that grants the insurgents god positions for ambushes as well as mobility.
Having Insurgents against a conventional army in a open fight is unfair. Letting them go on against special forces with air-support and whatnot would just be not funny.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-08-28 18:11

Hardtman wrote:Please,please for Godzilla's sake no special forces.

What you described sounds like a gigantic fragfest, kinda like Helmland at the time is.
You can hardly make a mountanous terrain in a way that grants the insurgents god positions for ambushes as well as mobility.
Having Insurgents against a conventional army in a open fight is unfair. Letting them go on against special forces with air-support and whatnot would just be not funny.

Unless you could somehow simulate asymmetric knowledge of terrain and civilian collusion. Even still, open terrain falls into Che Guevara's classification of "operations on unfavorable terrain" when the enemy has aerial support.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-08-28 21:22

Saying "SF" around here has almost become as much of a joke as fastroping. We will continue to represent Special Forces as being integrated with their factions Army/Marines on the same mission/operation. Meaning that SF will continue to be a kit loadout as opposed to a new faction.

As for Afghanistan, Garabaldi already did a leaky on that one

EDIT:

I just have to ask, why is everyone obsessed with Special Forces? I mean, Billy Connolly once said (while talking about ideas in british parliment) that they go on one side and come out the other a complete shadow of their former selves. That's exactly what's happening here. Everyone obsessed with Special Forces just sees how they're glorified in movies and on the web and perceives them as being omnipotent warfighters. When in reality it's nothing like that.

Answers.com wrote:Having a limited or specific function, application, or scope: a special role in the mission.

Note the word limited, just like SF kits will be in 0.7.

Post by **Falkun** » 2007-08-28 21:29

JP*wasteland.soldier wrote:Unless you could somehow simulate asymmetric knowledge of terrain and civilian collusion. Even still, open terrain falls into Che Guevara's classification of "operations on unfavorable terrain" when the enemy has aerial support.

The SF side could be given no respawn.

Wasteland · Post by **Wasteland** » 2007-08-28 21:32

No leaky, everyone's known about that from WIP announcements.

EDIT: God damnit, why does everyone always post before me? You guys must not open up all the tabs you're going to read before starting.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-08-28 23:08

at title "Mountian Man", I thought it was going to be about goat herders.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember a map called HELMAND PROVINCE!!!!! But I may be wrong...

BlackwaterEddie · Post by **BlackwaterEddie** » 2007-08-28 23:12

Helmand Province is in Afghanistan, but El Vikingo, where are the mountains in that map?

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-08-28 23:40

In the background.

But it's still afgahnistan.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-29 00:23

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:Saying "SF" around here has almost become as much of a joke as fastroping. We will continue to represent Special Forces as being integrated with their factions Army/Marines on the same mission/operation. Meaning that SF will continue to be a kit loadout as opposed to a new faction.

As for Afghanistan, Garabaldi already did a leaky on that one

EDIT:

I just have to ask, why is everyone obsessed with Special Forces? I mean, Billy Connolly once said (while talking about ideas in british parliment) that they go on one side and come out the other a complete shadow of their former selves. That's exactly what's happening here. Everyone obsessed with Special Forces just sees how they're glorified in movies and on the web and perceives them as being omnipotent warfighters. When in reality it's nothing like that.

Note the word limited, just like SF kits will be in 0.7.

Man you said a mouthful there.

If you guys want to model a "real" hardcore Army Special Operations unit in game. I can think of no better unit than the 75th Ranger Regiment. A Ranger Battalion is a real world bad ***, do or die unit. They are the real world hard chargers that Hollywood knows nothing about.
Not taking anything from SF units, but their hope is to NOT get tangled up in a firefight, but to avoid the fight and carry out the mission (which is usually surveillance). Now a Ranger unit on the other hand is built from the ground up for hardcore Infantry combat. Ranger companies are the real world Infantry experts.
As far as I'm concerned there is no better unit in Americas Military than a high speed Airborne Ranger Regiment. Hell any Military for that matter.

If any of the current US Army soldiers on this forum want to continue in the Military then I highly suggest that you try to get inot Ranger School and get in a Ranger Battalion if at all possible. The training is kick *** hard, but you won't be sorry. Not for a second! That applies to all you young guys out there that are considering joining the US Army as well. You get some of the very best high speed training the Army has to offer. Not to mention you’ll get to do some really cool stuff that lots of other soldiers in the Army only dream about.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-08-29 00:48

Of course you have to be an 11b (infantry) or a 13f, any other MOS can be ranger qualified, but you can't be in the ranger battalion.

Personally, I'm beyond happy that I went with 19D which is a Cav Scout. I don't need to go sit on a mountain in the rain learning how to suck, as that's all ranger school really teaches you.

Now there is a BIG BIG difference between ranger school and a ranger battalion, but good luck getting into one.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-29 01:36

WNxKenwayy wrote:I don't need to go sit on a mountain in the rain learning how to suck, as that's all ranger school really teaches you.

Now there is a BIG BIG difference between ranger school and a ranger battalion, but good luck getting into one.

I removed my ingorant banter, cause I am a stupid head

Sorry

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-08-29 01:40

Chill, guys.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-08-29 02:38

First, the term "learning how to suck" is a reference you really should understand. It translate to going through all sorts of uncomfortable situations (lack of sleep, food, water, rain, snow, extreme heat/cold, etc) and learning how to adapt and suck it up.

I went too and passed my units Pre-ranger course. I choose not to go to ranger school. At the time it would have cut into my deployment schedule and I'd rather be in Iraq/Afgan doing something than in a training school. Theres a reason my unit was called (before the change to a RSTA squadron) the lost ranger battalion, and that's from guys who had the tab.

I didn't say rangers sucked. I didn't say ranger school sucked. Of all people I'd have pegged you to at least understand the reference.

I also think going straight from 11b OSUT to ranger school is a horrible move for a soldier to make. Everyone gets hazed when they first get to their unit, if you come back as a failure from Ranger/Airborne its even worse. Get to your unit, keep your head low for a few months, absorb everything like a sponge, THEN put in a 4187 for ranger school.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-08-29 02:58

Just a misunderstanding lads. Nevertheless, interesting input from both Rico and Kenwayy.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-29 03:10

Sorry, I took it the wrong way. Guess I'm on my period. As soon as I read "suck" I got hot and stopped thinking. Maybe I'm frustrated cause I miss it, I don’t know. I seem to forget stuff as the years get by me. It's been a long time since I heard the term, and I miss took it as you slamming Rangers. I was starting to think that you were just being a hater. Guess I should have thought better of you. Please accept my apology as I stand corrected. I apologize.

Shamefully
R

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-08-29 03:18

Rico11b wrote:Sorry, I took it the wrong way. Guess I'm on my period. As soon as I read "suck" I got hot and stopped thinking. Maybe I'm frustrated cause I miss it, I don’t know. I seem to forget stuff as the years get by me. It's been a long time since I heard the term, and I miss took it as you slamming Rangers. I was starting to think that you were just being a hater. Guess I should have thought better of you. Please accept my apology as I stand corrected. I apologize.

Shamefully
R

Whoa whoa whoa, don't get the wrong idea twice...Kenwayys a total ****, but he's our ****. Or should I say [R-DIK]Kenwayy