Is it me? gameplay related

M4nicMin3r · Post by **M4nicMin3r** » 2007-09-05 20:47

Ok recently ive notice gameplay on various servers has become retarded beyond belief. Let me explain....,

I join a server, look to join a squad, i join, no sooner have a joined that squad (before the game starts) then the squad leader leaves the squad to join another, then it starts. Squad hopping like crazy, no-one wants to be squadleader anymore. When it stops and the game starts the squadleader ends up been a sniper, no rally points, no voip communication. I always join a squad and first thing i do is say hello to everyone, ppl reply say hi but then no comms at all throughout the entire game with scattered squads.

Ok so i go squad leader grab an officer kit in a vein attempt to get organised, tell the squad my intentions everyone agrees then it all goes to **** again. Trying to get squaddies around you to set a rally point it near impossible ( Im beginning to think my player model has digital BO), once (if at all) a rally is set its like ok ive done my bit screw you squadleader im off to do my own thing.

Then theres a matter if capping flags! ALL squads seem to attack the same point OVER AND OVER, if it works and we cap eventually its like the flag turns into some sort of dead smelly rotting rodent that everyone has to get away from as quickly as possible! I cant count the number of times ive been left alone trying to defend a flag while the other 31 players lemming towards another CP.

Its that or either 3 or 4 squads go right to the front to stop the enemy advancing to their first flag, ok i see the point in this but is it really nessesary to do this with 3 squads leaving 1 squad to cap 3 flags with a coupe of random blue d00ds? :S

So is it me? its been happening on the servers i usually play on and in the past have had some ASTOUNDING teamplay on.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Its getting VERY frustrating.

Cp · Post by Cp » 2007-09-05 21:07

Yeah, I have noticed this and thats why i have started creating my own squads called teamwork, defense or armor. Custom squad names usually tells people that you created this squad and intend to stay and lead it. I usually dont require people to have voip, its a plus but not a requirement. the only requirement i have is that they listen to me and follow my orders and if they dont, I'll kick. If you have 3 guys lonewolfing, kicking one usually scares the other 2 to start following orders.

also, always assume that the other squads are idiots, so when you have capped a flag, dont immediately run to the next one, check what the other squads are doing. if everyone runs of, stay and defend. if one or more squads stays, check with the commander or ask what their intentions are in the team chat.

Heliocentric · Post by **Heliocentric** » 2007-09-05 21:11

why dont YOU lead a squad? leader hopping solved right? for the RP you'll need voip i know alot of players outright ignore text. try a less nilla-nub server.

you are a squad leader, act like it, lay objectives, not at the final destination but to he next part of the route, this will encourage them gathering with you. dont camp, they'll likely get bored and wander off, assign individuals with appropiate kits tasks, quick ones like asking a rifleman to go up a ladder and spot targets and only to engage if they are away from cover.

Ironcomatose · Post by **Ironcomatose** » 2007-09-05 21:17

Huh i dnt no wht u talkin bout guy!! DUH DUH DEDADEE!!

No but seriously its the new wave of new players that come with each major update. Sadly some of them like the mod and they stay for a while. But in the long run they will get sick of people screaming at them to play like a team and they will leave.

Golden7B · Post by **Golden7B** » 2007-09-05 21:19

sorry but: same old same old.... It just happens. try to find good servers, good players, kick guys who dont follow orders, try to keep the communication going all game long...... alot of threads on this kind of subject, and no, there is no magic solution so we just need to deal with it...

Eddiereyes909 · Post by **Eddiereyes909** » 2007-09-05 21:23

or get an Xfire and communicate with people that you know are good players

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2007-09-05 22:07

what server you play on??

but yea ROFL at the dead smelly rodent comment, it is so true

S.P.C-[Reality]- · Post by **S.P.C-[Reality]-** » 2007-09-06 02:33

M4nicMin3r wrote:Then theres a matter if capping flags! ALL squads seem to attack the same point OVER AND OVER, if it works and we cap eventually its like the flag turns into some sort of dead smelly rotting rodent that everyone has to get away from as quickly as possible! I cant count the number of times ive been left alone trying to defend a flag while the other 31 players lemming towards another CP.

its beacause of the points they get for each flag, what is it around 30-40 points!! damn this happenes most of the time in the qwai river map.
ppl keep running back and forth between estate and temple,and on the USMC side between mine and processing(heh making the round endless)

S.P.C-[Reality]- · Post by **S.P.C-[Reality]-** » 2007-09-06 02:38

ironcomatose wrote:Huh i dnt no wht u talkin bout guy!! DUH DUH DEDADEE!!

No but seriously its the new wave of new players that come with each major update. Sadly some of them like the mod and they stay for a while. But in the long run they will get sick of people screaming at them to play like a team and they will leave.

but in some cases they stay and learn how to play like a man. ive seen some young players maybe 10-13 years old playing with the team wanting to learn more and more

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2007-09-06 05:18

yeah bad teamplay has been all over the place recently. It's been quite a few days since I have played in a good squad on a public server.

blud · Post by **blud** » 2007-09-06 05:25

You need to join a clan or a "community". Or start your own. It doesn't even have to be a real clan that competes, you could just make a pubber group or something. It gets a little bit involved, but, basically I see that as the only way to get in good squads for sure, because otherwise it is hit or miss.

M4nicMin3r · Post by **M4nicMin3r** » 2007-09-06 07:20

Well i play PR quite a bit and even on pub servers ive had astounding games. Im not really a competitive clan person i just like to have some good teamplay.
So by the looks of the other posts its kinda of a bit of both. It seems that my gameplay demands have raised the bar a little and it seems that from others postage that its a definate trend also.

Ah well just have to stick it out, hope it gets better and will check out other servs too. I usually play Thors 1+2, iGi, TAG almost all the time and occasionally some french servers, ok i dont speak too much french but i get a good ping and usually find lots of other english speaking players on there.

Thanks for the comments guys, least im not alone lol.

BlackNipple75 · Post by **BlackNipple75** » 2007-09-06 07:56

I completely agree, Try the following (I usually do this and it works)

A) Play after bed time !(very important) I play UK servers and later at night the standard of play is vastly better.

B) Start up your own squad called VOIP or UKVOIP or something like this. First thing is to say hello and tell people that this is a VOIP squad and ask em to confirm they are on VOIP, if they dont, tell em you will just kick em to make room for someone who does. This exercise really works, some people just leave straight away and everyone else normally starts a hello. I find that once you have someone on VOIP they become a much better team player.

C) Your now have a good squad, youve gotta keep em focused and on the ball....thats just being a leader

D) Even when defending CPs you should not be left isolated from the game for very long. If you are then you are in a bad position and allowing the enemy to outnumber the attackers at the attacking CP.

Its not easy to find a good game (one squad of clan members on one team with high points is usually the sign of an unfair boring game) but when you do and you get a good squad working.......Very Satisfying !

maz.uk · Post by **maz.uk** » 2007-09-06 09:21

hey up frazz

iv got too say there has been nights when team work is out the window and boy i hate them nights chasing the same two flags back and fourth next time you come in tag server m8 get your self on our ventrilo server its open to the public and makes even bad games fun

Post by **Rudd** » 2007-09-06 09:41

Budshot is right, pre-organised teamplay ensures that you'll have a positive teamplay experience, otherwise you are leaving your teammates selection to chance: Fate is a fickle friend.

Is it me or do some people make then leave squads in order to get squads made?

i.e. SL gets 6 in a squad, makes a new squad, gets 6, new squad until most of the team is in squads?

Tis annoying, but i find annoyance at a **** SL gives most people the courage to take command when the time comes.

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-06 09:48

I just had a couple of rather sweet rounds with lot of co-operation, especially with an Air squad on Kashan. Alright, we may have lost, but we had a lot of fun still, and we even taught a new guy the ropes.

M4nicMin3r · Post by **M4nicMin3r** » 2007-09-06 09:53

maz.uk wrote:hey up frazz iv got too say there has been nights when team work is out the window and boy i hate them nights chasing the same two flags back and fourth next time you come in tag server m8 get your self on our ventrilo server its open to the public and makes even bad games fun

Eyup Maz yeh ive had some good games on your serv, i dont use ventrillo but i will give it a go sometime.

Dr2B Rudd wrote:......

Is it me or do some people make then leave squads in order to get squads made?
i.e. SL gets 6 in a squad, makes a new squad, gets 6, new squad until most of the team is in squads?
Tis annoying, but i find annoyance at a **** SL gives most people the courage to take command when the time comes.

Yeh ive found this and it can be very annoying when someone opens a squad waits till its full then deserts to another squad. Ok i can see the point in getting more squads up but in reality it doesn't seem to work very well. Why? i think because as soon as the squad leader leaves the squad its left to the next person who usually didn't want to be squad leader in the first place. They then leave and rejoin making someone else leader, as a result starts a leave/join loop that gets quite vexing.

dunehunter wrote:I just had a couple of rather sweet rounds with lot of co-operation, especially with an Air squad on Kashan. Alright, we may have lost, but we had a lot of fun still, and we even taught a new guy the ropes.

Yeh ive had plenty of rounds ( especially on Thors ) where we have been completely pwned off the map and capped out...,however it usually didnt matter as most of the time i couldnt play for laughing and joking with squadmates. English speaking german players crack me up with their sense of humour.

RGG:Dale · Post by **RGG:Dale** » 2007-09-06 10:03

yeah join a clan or just a group of people with a name to them,
strike team are a very good group of peoples to get associated with, also if you want to have some rounds with me my xfire name is thejackalkernel

hx.bjoffe · Post by **hx.bjoffe** » 2007-09-06 10:28

What makes this game playable is decisive squadleaders. Without one teamwork is not possible.
If you join a squad and the SL leaves, you better know the new SL being desent orelse get the hell out of there. Then its better going SL yourself. If you have problems getting your SM cooperating, kick them. Even if there's only one of them

Others will come along.

.:iGi:. Greg · Post by **.:iGi:. Greg** » 2007-09-06 10:44

Since we have closed one server and now focus on a wide range of maps on 1 server, rather than a few maps on each, I have noticed some great teamwork of late. It also has helped loads with having our clan members spread across several squads rather than all in one squad.

Another great help is having a commander. Loads of rounds I have noticed no one plays commander. There was a round on mestia a few days ago, as brits, the side was doing awful. We would take west, then the entire team would disappear from the flag, letting the enemy take it back. But as soon as the commander joined, he started ordering squads to correct places and the game turned itself around.

It is also helpful if there are decent squad leaders on that round. Sometimes you will just get a round where hardly anyone wants to be SL, you can see it by the fact that as the round start timer is ticking down, no one makes a squad but as soon as a few brave fools start one, they fill up instantly.