Su-25 Frogfoot Vs. A-10 Warthog

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[R-MOD]Darkpowder wrote:There is evidence that this is a design purely developed in the U.S.S.R and not "borrowed" at all. Who knows?
From the Wiki article you cite:
However, actual resemblance is very superficial as the Su-25 does not use high-bypass engines, and work on what later became the Su-25 began in 1968, four years before YA-9's first flight.
For those who don't understand the US aircraft numeration scheme (it can be very confusing):

This system was established during WWII, prior to the war aircraft designations were based on manufacturer, so the F-4U Corsair does not fit this scheme, but the P-51D Mustang does.

AB-1C

Where A is a modification or additional role of the aircraft

Where B is the main function of the aircraft

Where 1 is the series number as selected by the Pentagon

Where C is the modification of the aircraft

Examples:

Function letters:
A- Attack A-4D Skyhawk
B- Bomber B-52G Stratobomber
C- Cargo C-5B Galaxy
E- Electronic Warfare E-2A Hawkeye
F- Fighter F-15E Eagle
H- Helicopter H-1U Huey
O- Observation O-1F Bird Dog
P- Pursuit (Old name for Fighters) P-51D Mustang
P- Patrol P-3A Orion
S- Anti-Submarine S-3B Viking
T- Trainer T-38A Talon
U- Utility U-2R
V- VSTOL** AV-8B Harrier
X- Experimental Bell X-1 (1st supersonic airplane)

Variant Letters
A- Attack AH-64A Apache AC-130H Spectre
C- Cargo CH-47D Iroquois (mostly in helicopters)
E- Electronic Warfare EA-6B Prowler EF-111A Raven
F- Fighter FB-111A Aardvark FA-18A Hornet
H- Rescue HH-60J Jayhawk HC-130P Hercules
K- Tanker KC-135A Stratotanker KA-6B Intruder
M- Minesweeper MH-53A Sea Stallion
O- Observation OA-10A Thunderbolt II OA-4D Skyhawk
R- Recon RA-5A Vigilant RF-4B Phantom
S- Special SR-71A Blackbird
Y- Prototype YA-17 (Prototype that became the FA-18 with some modifications)


There may be others I don't know off the top of my head.
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Liquid_Cow wrote:From the Wiki article you cite:


For those who don't understand the US aircraft numeration scheme (it can be very confusing):

This system was established during WWII, prior to the war aircraft designations were based on manufacturer, so the F-4U Corsair does not fit this scheme, but the P-51D Mustang does.

AB-1C

Where A is a modification or additional role of the aircraft

Where B is the main function of the aircraft

Where 1 is the series number as selected by the Pentagon

Where C is the modification of the aircraft

Examples:

Function letters:
A- Attack A-4D Skyhawk
B- Bomber B-52G Stratobomber
C- Cargo C-5B Galaxy
E- Electronic Warfare E-2A Hawkeye
F- Fighter F-15E Eagle
H- Helicopter H-1U Huey
O- Observation O-1F Bird Dog
P- Pursuit (Old name for Fighters) P-51D Mustang
P- Patrol P-3A Orion
S- Anti-Submarine S-3B Viking
T- Trainer T-38A Talon
U- Utility U-2R
V- VSTOL** AV-8B Harrier
X- Experimental Bell X-1 (1st supersonic airplane)

Variant Letters
A- Attack AH-64A Apache AC-130H Spectre
C- Cargo CH-47D Iroquois (mostly in helicopters)
E- Electronic Warfare EA-6B Prowler EF-111A Raven
F- Fighter FB-111A Aardvark FA-18A Hornet
H- Rescue HH-60J Jayhawk HC-130P Hercules
K- Tanker KC-135A Stratotanker KA-6B Intruder
M- Minesweeper MH-53A Sea Stallion
O- Observation OA-10A Thunderbolt II OA-4D Skyhawk
R- Recon RA-5A Vigilant RF-4B Phantom
S- Special SR-71A Blackbird
Y- Prototype YA-17 (Prototype that became the FA-18 with some modifications)


There may be others I don't know off the top of my head.
ahh thanks alot!!
where u in the military anytime during your life? cause u know alot of stuff about this!
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Post by Red Halibut »

Good A-10 Article: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a-10/

Oh, and there's a reason the A-10 has a titanium cockpit...

..it's because if it meets an Su-25 it's going to be taking a lot of lead up its tailpipe.

Anyone fancy testing the theory out in LO:MAC?

We could start with BVR, then move to Guns 'n Heaters only, then lastly guns only, and then switch planes and do it all again (just to iron out any differences in pilot ability)
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i also heard that the a-10 has a "fake" cockpit on its bellyside to trick other fighters :D
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Petey wrote:ahh thanks alot!!
where u in the military anytime during your life? cause u know alot of stuff about this!

Liquid is to Everything Military as Bob Marley is to rifles
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Leo wrote:Liquid is to Everything Military as Bob Marley is to rifles
What the hell is that supposed to mean??? :confused:

Petey, yes I spent time in the military, as you may have guessed I also worked on aircraft.
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Well, Bob Marley is like a walking encyclopedia on rifle, so lets say he's "The Wold's Guide To Rifles"

You have much broader knowledge, but may not know as many rifles and facts about rifles as Bob, so you're like "The Military Encyclopedia, Volumes 1 through 3,000"
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Petey wrote:i also heard that the a-10 has a "fake" cockpit on its bellyside to trick other fighters :D
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Its designed to make it hard to tell which way the plane is turning in a hard bank, as in this photo... at 400knts and 6g's you got 1/2 a sec to decide if he's turning towards you or away. Wrong choice he gets away and maybe gets a shot on you.

I think the Candiens came up with it first on their FA-18's

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Leo wrote:Well, Bob Marley is like a walking encyclopedia on rifle, so lets say he's "The Wold's Guide To Rifles"
Ah, Bob Marley the PR player, not to pot smoking reggae singer nor the Maine based comedian.
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And then there's Kenway, who knows everything about how the M16's bullets tumble. Ask him about it sometime. ;)
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Liquid_Cow wrote:What the hell is that supposed to mean??? :confused:

Petey, yes I spent time in the military, as you may have guessed I also worked on aircraft.
nicee..
when u say worked on aircrafts, do u mean that you were a pilot or you were an engineer?
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I was a technician. Plus I had wanted to be a pilot since I was a very young kid, but I was too tall by the time I was old enough to join.
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Liquid_Cow wrote:I was a technician. Plus I had wanted to be a pilot since I was a very young kid, but I was too tall by the time I was old enough to join.
whoa what the hell???
so u cant be tall if u want to be a pilot??
damn that sucks how small are the cockpits than?
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I am 6'6" tall, max was(at least when I was trying to join) was 6'4", any taller and you might hit the canopy before your ejection seat does, you be really bad for your spine. Remember Goose in Top Gun? He was too tall :(
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Liquid_Cow wrote:Image

Its designed to make it hard to tell which way the plane is turning in a hard bank, as in this photo...

You'd really had to be stupid to be fooled by that one, since everyone knows, that weapons are under the wings, so that has to be the underside... :p
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Liquid_Cow wrote:I am 6'6" tall, max was(at least when I was trying to join) was 6'4", any taller and you might hit the canopy before your ejection seat does, you be really bad for your spine. Remember Goose in Top Gun? He was too tall :(
dont worry..
u can always fly jets in PR, no matter how tall you are ;)
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Outlawz wrote:You'd really had to be stupid to be fooled by that one, since everyone knows, that weapons are under the wings, so that has to be the underside... :p
Spoken like someone who's never tried to look at another airplane a half mile away while flying at 600knts and pulling 6G's and trying to stay on his tail. I've spoken with USMC pilots who had dogfights with Canadians back in the 80's when this trend started, and they couldn't believe how well it worked. It was not long after that we began to paint our birds the same way.

You've got to consider that, especially with the A-10, the plane hunting them will be much faster, usually diving in on them, any help at shaking a tail chase will be appreciated. The photo I posted is looking up against a brilliant blue sky, the worse case for the gray camo on airplanes today. More likely, in a chase, it would be framed against the ground below, and possibly on an overcast or haze which would help the camouflage work.

Thanks Petey, but I prefer to shoot jets down!
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Tweaky wrote:I'd agree to this.

The A-10 in reallife has all the hitech weapon systems really. The Frogfoot doesn't even have a HUD... and still old-school navigation equipment :( . (PR makes an exception with a hud, unfortuneately)

As for in PR. The A-10 is far better than the Frogfoot in many areas. They both have the same amount of bombs (2), guided missiles (4), and AA missiles (2), so no differences there.

But the amount of rockets versus cannon bullets is a big difference. The Frogfoot as 128 rockets which are GREAT for infantry because of the huge splash damage they have, however since they are left-right unloading, they are not 100% accurate in your crosshairs. When trying to kill armor, you usually have to unload a lot of rockets to get a kill, and your gun ammo which is limited can only help so much. Thus you run out of rockets and gun ammo quickly, and usually have to make a 2nd pass on your target (NOT GOOD).

As for the A-10, the 15 some-odd rockets is just there for the last remaining kills if you need to finish off a smoking tank or something (or get some infantry). The A-10 cannon is far superior than the rockets when killing armor, no question about that. You can do one full dive/pass on a heavy armor tank and kill it with your cannon, easily. And with 1500 rounds, you can stay up quite long using the gun after you've run out of all the other heavy rounds. A-10 can stay up much longer in my opinion, and has a much better role at killing armor (heh, what its made to do!). I love the A-10, and the SU25 is fun too if I so happen to be on MEC side. But I'd take the A-10 over the SU25 any day.

I've stayed in the air longer using only the gun left as ammo, and it is a life saver (for me and other teammates). Especially when your teammates tell you migs are in the air and they need to shoot them down before you can safely land on the runway --- Meanwhile you can continue to give support with just your cannon and help the team.
I think you may be wrong about the head up display mate this su-25 has one dont you think???

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/co ... nel_01.jpg

try this picture link mmmm
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Post by Petey »

ok another question...
whats the difference between the a-10 thunderbolt II, the a-10 tankbuster, and the a-10 warthog??
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