Mount a red-dot scope on all US M-16.

[WNxKenwayy]

NO they all dont! mostly small amounts due. YES FUTURE! But we are not there yet. ok if u want to show use a photo that every US soldier in a company has a "RED DOT" on his gun show it.

2 guys in your sig have aimpoints you twat.

And as for photo proof?

You see that guy in my sig, with the ACU's, IBA vest, sitting in a humvee about to go on patrol?

yeah, that's me. So I'm preeeeeeeeeeetty sure I have an idea of what my troop uses along with every unit I worked with over there.

[Mongolian_dude]

2 guys in your sig have aimpoints you twat.

And as for photo proof?

You see that guy in my sig, with the ACU's, IBA vest, sitting in a humvee about to go on patrol?

yeah, that's me. So I'm preeeeeeeeeeetty sure I have an idea of what my troop uses along with every unit I worked with over there.

Word....
However, maintain the lowest possible amount of slander please, which happens to be none.

...mongol...

[Mongolian_dude]

We'll when the M16 was developed it was perfect for what the army thought it was about to fight. Russia, in Europe, so it would have been great for the longer ranger engagements. But since it didn't turn out that way, and ever since then we've got closer and closer to the enemy it doesn't have the punch needed, as well saying its the worst assault rifle in the world is purely opinion.

The point I was making was about its performance in game aginst its counterpart ARs, not my opinion of it IRL.

...mongol...

[$kelet0r]

The problem is that the red-sight you are all thinking of (the DICE M4 sight) is closer to be being a fantasy laser dot monocle uber-sight like something out of Aliens than a realistic representation of the M68. In reality, ironsights and aimpoints have little aside from personal preference to choose between them, which is why this 'Aimpoints are needed to give the US an ingame advantage' is just horribly wrong.

[AnRK]

I think any suggestion of

"They will be using it in the Future" is Pritty much ignored.

Anyway M16's will get ACOQ Scope for Rifleman and Officer in 0.7.. so be Patient.

I think they treat anything like this with a little more of an open minded attitude. For example Chinas average grunt doesn't wear armour at the moment, however due to Chinas blistering economic growth and plans to reduce the size of their army to have a smaller but better equipped and trained one, it's reasonable to conclude that at least most foot soldiers will be wearing armour in the next decade or so. With the same rationale you can also make an assumption that most U.S. Army and Marine rifles will probably be scoped in that kinda time frame.

Stuff like the "I saw [Ridiculously expensive and far from complete weapon system that generally hasn't been approved for any military use yet] on Future weapons" suggestions are generally ignored because those kinda things tend to be a very long way from entering service.

[WNxKenwayy]

The problem is that the red-sight you are all thinking of (the DICE M4 sight) is closer to be being a fantasy laser dot monocle uber-sight like something out of Aliens than a realistic representation of the M68. In reality, ironsights and aimpoints have little aside from personal preference to choose between them, which is why this 'Aimpoints are needed to give the US an ingame advantage' is just horribly wrong.

Um, no?

The in-game m68 is pretty much exactly like what a IRL m68 is. In fact the m68 IRL is better, you can adjust the brightness of the dot.

Iron sights suck because you have to line up 2 objects, and there is some room for error because the rear aperture isn't perfectly exact, even on the target sight. Just make a circle with 2 fingers and hold up another one on the other hand, and try to put the 1 finger exactly in the center of the circle. It wont be exactly the same every time.

Now with a red dot m68, all you need to do is put the dot on the target and you'll hit it. No lining it up with anything else. Plus its a glowing dot so it shows up more precisely than a iron sight in low light conditions, and you can use both eyes open. With irons you can use a modified point and shoot method, but its not as accurate, hence why m68's are all but standard issue now.

Basicly

M68 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ironsights.

[blud]

What's the point? There'll be an ACOG on the M4 and M16A4 when 0.7 comes around.

The point is if those things aren't done in time for 0.7 (which I had no knowledge of if they were going to be, and truthfully we all don't know if they will be done in time - unless they are already done or something), Then, doing my idea would be totally awesome in the interim.

[.Intense]

perhaps the US Army could get acogs on rifleman and officer M4s, but also Aimpoints on medic, grenadier, possibly engineers M4 so to make up for the M4's low damage and bullet drop.

if another rifleman class is to replace sf in .7,maybe the US Army can also be the only faction to have that new class with optics: M68 red dot.

i can't think of any other way to force 2/3 of the US Army team to carry Aimpoint M4's

Did PR introduce bullet drop? in vBF2 no matter the range there was no bullet drop...

I can see this is long range MG weapons on armor and APC's but not on weapons...

[$kelet0r]

<Opinion =/=fact>

I disagree obviously but hey
It's incredibly stupid and irresponsible to use the aimpoint without a forward aperture or rear cowitness - essential relying completely on human judgement for accuracy rather than utilising the natural benefit of having an extremely accurate third point of linearity when aiming at a target.
And finally compare:


with the hilarious DICE aimpoint and then tell me that the laser dot monocle ingame is realistic

[AnRK]

Did PR introduce bullet drop? in vBF2 no matter the range there was no bullet drop...

I can see this is long range MG weapons on armor and APC's but not on weapons...

There was definately bullet drop but it's been accentuated in PR, so it starts dropping before the half kilometre sniper kill it would have in BF2.

[Berry[13thmeu]]

if you ask me the m68 is garbage and would be no substitute for an actual acog. then again i think the m4 is a piece of garbage too, i wouldn't stake my life on one if i didnt have to.

[USMC[KILLER]]

These are photos of acog's taken by US Marines.

[Jaymz]

;479035']These are photos of acog's taken by US Marines.

HA! Some quality threat prioritizing there. Good references though, cheers mate.

[Gyberg]

with the hilarious DICE aimpoint and then tell me that the laser dot monocle ingame is realistic

From the land of Aimpoint.... sorry to be the one breaking it to you, but the M4 aimpoint is realistic.... and no.... you do not need any kind of iron sights to use a red dot sight. Infact on the new version of the Ak5 (Ak5 C) the iron sights are folded when using aimpoint.

EDIT: more facts about Aimpoint red-dot sights can be found here http://www.aimpoint.com/products/why_aimpoint_sights

[Mongolian_dude]

Um, no?
Iron sights suck because you have to line up 2 objects, and there is some room for error because the rear aperture isn't perfectly exact, even on the target sight. Just make a circle with 2 fingers and hold up another one on the other hand, and try to put the 1 finger exactly in the center of the circle. It wont be exactly the same every time.

Not to mention you can see more of your lower view, instead of the whole rifle being in the way, allowing you to just about drop rounds into a target more effectively.
Think how ghey it would be if sniper scopes cut off exactly half way down? then you couldnt account for bullet drop at all.

...mongol...

[billdan]

Mongolian_dude;478316']Well, it has to be said that the M16 is current "The worst assault rifle i have ever seen!" and i reckon "My grandmother could do better!".

Every rifleman you come up against, with the A2 in your hands, feels like he's a marksman, that hits harder than you; hits further than you and more times and faster than you.
...mongol...

what? i love the m16 and its variants in-game, even the iron sight versions...they have lower recoil and higher rof than any of the other assault rifles. the m16a4 acog will pwn the qbz95 and will be on even ground with the g3a3zf.

i might be the only one, but the m16 sounds (firing, loading, cocking) sexy-in both .5 and .6

[billdan]

on the m68: any plans to make the dot 1 MOA? the dice model seems more like a diamond covering like 10 MOA

question: are the ACOG models used by the Army and Marine Corps different from one another? the ACOG crosshairs/reticules in America's Army looked different from the pics posted above

off-topic: any work being done on a M240?

[$kelet0r]

From the land of Aimpoint.... sorry to be the one breaking it to you, but the M4 aimpoint is realistic.... and no.... you do not need any kind of iron sights to use a red dot sight. Infact on the new version of the Ak5 (Ak5 C) the iron sights are folded when using aimpoint.

EDIT: more facts about Aimpoint red-dot sights can be found here http://www.aimpoint.com/products/why_aimpoint_sights

Even your picture proves my point. The ingame aimpoint feels like your avatar is wearing a monocle not using an optical sight.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9495 ... 048he6.png

Like the ingame AK47, your face is almost impossibly close to the sight. And that is not realistic
To try to indicate the correct perspective seeing as the image I posted earlier was ignored:


What the M68 should approximately look like


What it actually looks like ingame (without the front irons):

[Hotrod525]

US Marines issue the 4x32mm Trijicon ACOG scope to most all active frontline rifleman. the M16a4 w/ ACOG, vertical handgrip, and (nonfunctioning) ANPEQ visible/infrared laser will be in .7

as of right now the USMC rifleman M16a2 has a 4x zoom placeholder to reduce balance issues.
just be patient

however i think you are not mistaken about the US Army and it's use of Aimpoint compII red dots. while the USMC's official and issued optic is the ACOG, the US Army's official and issued optic is the Aimpoint. for balance issues i think the DEVs might just give the US Army ACOGs, though...

ACOGs in the Army, Aimpoints in the Marines, and EOTech Holograph sights in both services are almost privately owned, i believe.

simply put: Army has mostly M4s with Aimpoint red dots. Marine Corps has mostly M16A4 w/ ACOG

some1 correct me on this?

Army and Marines allow soldier to use every mod in the SOPMOD... except for Grenade Luncher, Regular soldier can have Aimpoint, Acog, EOTech, handgrip, heatshield, bipod, ANPEQ (laser & flashlight...) if the mod is not standart like foward handgrip and the soldier want a "Sure Fire handgrip" whit light integrated it would have to buy it by itself...

Now its pretty touchy to talk about that cause in fact DEV of PR cannot make each version of the sopmod....

So... how it would be ? SF got M4 whit Acog ? no foward handgrip ? no suppresor ? So then... any of US Army soldier would have the same loadout ? M4 Acog stuck...or it would be more something like :
Officer - Riffleman : Acog, S.F.: EOTech, Medic - Engineer : Aimpoint ?