M4 for U.S Officer.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-09-18 02:27

in v0.7 the USMC will get the M16A4 with ACOG scope, which will be in the USMC officer kit.

if this is a suggestion for the patch, then you are too late.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-09-18 03:10

Fearosius wrote:To further atract people to use the Officer kti when SL, why not give them the M4 with the red-dot. I heard they give Officers these, but theey can get the opp. to have the M16 as well.

Post your thoughts.

The Officer in PR is not even an officer, he depicts a fireteam leader(Cpl) or maybe even a squadleader(Sgt). What a fireteam leader usually carries is the M203/M16 combo, not the M4.

SethLive! · Post by **SethLive!** » 2007-09-18 04:28

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: if this is a suggestion for the patch, then you are too late.

thats good to hear!

DavidP · Post by **DavidP** » 2007-09-18 04:37

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:The Officer in PR is not even an officer, he depicts a fireteam leader(Cpl) or maybe even a squadleader(Sgt). What a fireteam leader usually carries is the M203/M16 combo, not the M4.

That would be nice to have

Instead of those slow as heck pull the pin and throw smoke/frag nades.

hx.bjoffe · Post by **hx.bjoffe** » 2007-09-18 13:23

'[R-DEV wrote: if this is a suggestion for the patch, then you are too late.

Aiai caramba!
So expect the patch any day now, that is?

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-18 13:58

I'm sure that I've seen this suggestion before, but couldn't find it myself using the search function, so I can't get mad at the OP for that

Anyway, this topic has been talked about before, with multiple weapons being proposed, but usually ended up with a) the SL having a worse weapon than the others would make it a less enviable position or b) the SL having a better weapon than the others might lead to people becoming SL just for the weapon, not to lead a squad.

Ecko · Post by **Ecko** » 2007-09-18 14:12

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:The Officer in PR is not even an officer, he depicts a fireteam leader(Cpl) or maybe even a squadleader(Sgt). What a fireteam leader usually carries is the M203/M16 combo, not the M4.

It would be Sgt. Squads normally operate in 6, divided into 3 man fire teams. (At least in the british army, I assume the US operates in the same way.)

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-09-18 16:38

Ecko wrote:It would be Sgt. Squads normally operate in 6, divided into 3 man fire teams. (At least in the british army, I assume the US operates in the same way.)

No, I'm in a fireteam of 5 Marines. There are usually 2 Cpls in a fireteam with 1 as the fireteam leader, then we have another fireteam of 5Marines, and then the SL of both fireteams who is a Sergeant.

In BF2/PR as I said, it is a little different. The squads, which would be fireteams in real life probably, are just basically smaller versions of a full size squad, with the SL as a leader, and a pointman if a SL designates someone. So their rank would depend on how you interpret BF2 and what they intended, but 6 men is far too few people for a squad in the American military. More like 10+. Having 2 or 3 fireteams depends on the amount of men in the squad. If there are not many, then 2 fireteams as opposed to 3.

I guess this is how the British Army operates
wiki

In military terminology, a squad is a small military unit led by a non-commissioned officer (NCO) that is subordinate to an infantry platoon. In countries following the British Army tradition (Australian Army, Canadian Army, and others) this organization is referred to as a section. In most armies a squad consists of eight to fourteen soldiers, and may be further subdivided into fireteams.

In the United States Army, a squad is composed of two fireteams of four or five soldiers each. In the United States Marine Corps, a squad is typically composed of three fireteams of four Marines and a squad leader who is a junior NCO.

Prydain · Post by **Prydain** » 2007-09-18 17:37

The British military has a corporal leading each section of eight soldiers. It is played out as:
Pairs - Two soldiers
Fireteam - Two Pairs
Section - Two Fireteams

The Idea is flawed as the USMC does not use the M4. When the US army comes, the soldiers will be equiped with M4A1's.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-09-18 17:44

Prydain wrote:The British military has a corporal leading each section of eight soldiers. It is played out as:
Pairs - Two soldiers
Fireteam - Two Pairs
Section - Two Fireteams

The Idea is flawed as the USMC does not use the M4. When the US army comes, the soldiers will be equiped with M4A1's.

Yea, I meant the USMC fireteam leader using the M203/M16 combo while the US Army ingame would use the M203/M4 combo.

O, and pretty much the USMC fireteams(Ready/Pointman, Team/fireteam leader, Fire/SAW, Assist/Assistant Rifleman) are the same as British fireteams, though they are probably larger. And the US doesn't have "pairs", but 2 troops are designated to rush during fireteam rushes.

Prydain · Post by **Prydain** » 2007-09-18 18:00

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote: O, and pretty much the USMC fireteams(Ready/Pointman, Team/fireteam leader, Fire/SAW, Assist/Assistant Rifleman) are the same as British fireteams, though they are probably larger. And the US doesn't have "pairs", but 2 troops are designated to rush during fireteam rushes.

Pairs are more like unofficial accomplices as you enter buildings or need to act as a pair. The weapons assigned to each fireteam are most possably; x2 L85A2s w/ L17A1, a L108A1 or L110A1 and an L7 in one fire team wile the option of a L86A2 or L7 in the other. Having said that a fire teams selection of weapons depends on many factors including complacent armourers, role, regiment, ect.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-09-18 20:37

too late sounds good to me

Scope is a good choice for sl weapon because it encourages them to hold back instead of rushing it. I like the miltia officer kit best

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2007-09-18 21:26

SVD + Skorpion. Excellent long range capability paired with a very effective PDW. Yup I'll take that.

Just a shame that enemy (at least Militia, not tried the opposing regular army's) Officer kits don't work if you're commander; you need your own side's kit to deploy stuff.

Cheppi · Post by **Cheppi** » 2007-09-18 21:28

Patch is imminent, servers already have it

You didn't hear it from me

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2007-09-18 21:40

i just want a new rifle. iam mostly SL and the US is the worst but i like the gun.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-18 21:42

M16 is a good rifle, but the ironsights really decrease the FOW, while the scoped ones, like MEC G3 or Chinese QBZ don't...

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-18 21:48

Which is why we'll be getting scoped rifles in .7

The balance problem is a known issue, and it is being worked on.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-09-18 21:48

Prydain wrote:The Idea is flawed as the USMC does not use the M4.

Yes, they do, but not every grunt has one.

Prydain wrote:When the US army comes, the soldiers will be equiped with M4A1's.

No, they will be equipped with M4s. M4A1 has unrestricted full-auto, which is not issued to conventional forces.

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2007-09-18 22:00

ture eddie ur so smart!