Al Basrah issues

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Outlawz7
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Al Basrah issues

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Compiled this together after some extensive thinking from my Insurgency mode experiences

1. We are all aware, that none of the Insurgents usually like to defend the caches and rush the never defended VCP, but what about the times, when British like to go spawn rape the mosque instead of looking for caches or defending the VCP *cough*?

I've noticed this and placed the mosque raping in 3 'levels':
I. IFV parks outside the city and shoots anything that comes down the main road west of the mosque. Usually not a problem as they get RPG'd easily, mild annoyance.

II. Random infantry 'wondering' around the mosque. Sometimes a bunch of Spec Ops comes to the mosque and camps the spots, where Insurgents spawn or simply shoots them from rooftops.
Either because they're being lame and play Ins mode as if it was AAS, or just padding up intel points and their ego by slaughtering Insurgents.

III. Serious spawn rape.
They either have a SL hiding near to spawn on and harass the mosque, rally point or an IFV parked in some alley/street, where they happily respawn out of (god, the bloody vehicle spawn seriously needs to go)

I personally think, that the mosque needs a dome of death, so the GB stays out of it. Don't know, if GB/US troops attack mosques IRL; but we do want the British to focus on destroying caches, not ca(m)ping flags now?

Also, a small market/park area around the mosque for more cover, so it isn't so open and bare. I'd prefer some palm trees, so the city doesn't remind of a concrete jungle :p

2. The 2-3 ammo caches that spawn around the mosque, need to be removed due the above reasons.
The ammo cache, that spawns in the boat shack north of VCP also needs to go, as it is impossible for Insurgents to defend it due the cache literally being next to the VCP.
The cache, that spawns in the field south of village, could also be moved into some decent cover instead of being in the open (who stockpiles ammo&weapons in the middle of a field anyway :p )

3. (even)more ammo cache spots. (please) ;)
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Post by DavidP »

1. Wrong they only defend caches when down to half.

I. Only seen that once they got kicked for that.

II. Those random infantry are sometimes me and my squadmates looking for your caches.

III. Sl stays and hides while we look for caches around the "Hot Square"

Nope if it gets the death dome then all the insurgents will simply hide inside it when under attack. It will just increase Merlin Rape which is easy to do with 2 support gunners on the side and the pilot circling fast as hell. Believe me man thats one damn good way to suppress insurgents.

2. Sort of agree but the Mosque is the Hub of all their activity, That cache i like because when Vcp's capped and they have only a few caches left they are forced to go
out the city just in case you know who comes by(Cant say the rest)

3. Agree maybe somewhere near the bride of industry? I always thought it was a good spot and hard to see by apc's.
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Post by Outlawz7 »

Well, the British could go hide in their airport, too *cough*

Yes, and the reason, why sometimes GB comes around the mosque, are those caches that spawn there. Making the mosque area cache free would get rid of this, but there are still idiots, who just play Basrah for pwning Insurgents and not giving a heck about, how they should play Ins mode..
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Post by Swe_Olsson »

Rape is not against warfare IRL lol
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Post by DavidP »

Outlawz wrote:Well, the British could go hide in their airport, too *cough*
But they dont because they need to find caches and defend/cap vcp.
Outlawz wrote: Yes, and the reason, why sometimes GB comes around the mosque, are those caches that spawn there. Making the mosque area cache free would get rid of this, but there are still idiots, who just play Basrah for pwning Insurgents and not giving a heck about, how they should play Ins mode..
Nope Most Gb that do come around the mosque dont spawn kill insurgents as it draws attention to them. Those that do kill in the mosque area kill those that will compromise their position, Or more likely those heading for weapon pick ups.
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Post by agentscar »

It's really rare that brits. do that,and plus,the mosque really isn't their base,it's just where they have some weapons stored,so I see no prob. with that...But almost ALWAYS,the INS. rush VCP hard.AND,a night version of Basrah would be kick arse,while still keeping the day time version,but I agree the cache in the boathouse next to VCP's north entrance needs to be re-located.
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Post by G.Drew »

agentscar wrote:It's really rare that brits. do that,and plus,the mosque really isn't their base,it's just where they have some weapons stored,so I see no prob. with that...But almost ALWAYS,the INS. rush VCP hard.AND,a night version of Basrah would be kick arse,while still keeping the day time version,but I agree the cache in the boathouse next to VCP's north entrance needs to be re-located.
its not that rare, believe me

the brits go there simply because theres WEAPONS, they take the weapons (especially the PKM), and use them against the insurgents and/or camp there because they:
A) dont want the insurgents to get them
B) know the insurgents are going to be there and rank up the kills
C) are trying to get there so they can take the weapons

but i guess more caches dotted around the place would be good AND another thing:

when the insurgents are defending, can we make just a bit more clear where the caches are and whether or not there destroyed, i dunno, mybe need to refer back the the wiki guide
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[R-COM]BloodBane611: I do like the old school rape...However, it's a bit awkward to be a white boy blasting the old school in public....
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Post by Masaq »

Outlawz wrote:Well, the British could go hide in their airport, too *cough*

Yes, and the reason, why sometimes GB comes around the mosque, are those caches that spawn there. Making the mosque area cache free would get rid of this, but there are still idiots, who just play Basrah for pwning Insurgents and not giving a heck about, how they should play Ins mode..
Quite clearly though, gaining intel points is an intergral part of Insurgency mode. Therefore sending two-four players as an intel-gathering team (including: hunting down caches manually, harassing Insurgents and preventing them from using their limited kits, and killing Insurgents to gain Intel points to locate cahces) can not only be effective but actually quite necessary.

Swe_Olsson wrote:Rape is not against warfare IRL lol
Quite clearly, it is. It falls under human rights abuses. If you mean sexual rape, that is. If you mean slaughtering people who're already on the back foot (i.e.: say that a US uncap main is being 'raped' by the MEC team), then you're also probably wrong - as in all likelihood they'd surrender, and killing enemy combatants who've given up arms is also illegal.

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Post by wooly-back-jack »

Swe_Olsson wrote:Rape is not against warfare IRL lol
Im sure rape is in the warcrimes section somewhere :p
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Post by Rhino »

I have yet to see this "mosque rape" as you put it outlawz. There was a big rape problem in the OB but with adding lots and lots of new spawn points all around the city for just the mosque area it has gratley reduced the raping. I dont know if you have noticed but when you select the mosque spawn point, haven't you notice most of the time you spawn a pretty damn far away from the mosque? there is even some spawns in the suburbs... There is only like 3 spawns inside the mosque compound out of like 20 odd? you have something of like a 15% chance of spawning inside the mosque compound.

Also dont ask for any more ammo dumps, there is over 130 random locations they can spawn in, and even I the guy who has placed them cant remember them all when I could when there was only something like 30 odd in the OB. I would like to see if you can find a bunch more locations that I aint already used that aint in the middle of the open.
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Post by Swe_Olsson »

masaq, why in the world would i bring up a sexual rape object in a game? thats just outrageous..

US Troops bombed Bases in IRAQ, HQ's without mercy.. Rape? and besides we dont have white flags ingame
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Post by agentscar »

Adding more ammo dumps would be a bad idea,it wouldn't really help the brits. to win on that map,they rarely do now,I think caches are fine,the whole map is fine,just that Brits. need some Challenger II power :twisted:

I was thinking,if the WAH-64 Apache Longbow is only used by the brits. why are the USMC using it in Kashan?U.S. use the AH-64 Apache/Apache Longbow

Good post Rhino!
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Post by jayceon515 »

USAF uses AH-64 Apache longbow USMC uses AH1Z super cobra so it doesn't really make sense for the USMC to use apaches on Kashan desert.

Adding more locations for weapon caches won't make this map more interesting unless the whole GB team goes looking for them but this is just not going to happen if the VCP flag remains as it is right now. I would really like to see the whole GB team go searching for caches and the whole insurgent team defending them and setting up ambushes. I can only hope the next insurgency map will be 100% "insurgency" and not just 99% like Basrah (*cough* VCP *cough*) :mrgreen:
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Post by Outlawz7 »

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I have yet to see this "mosque rape" as you put it outlawz. There was a big rape problem in the OB but with adding lots and lots of new spawn points all around the city for just the mosque area it has gratley reduced the raping. I dont know if you have noticed but when you select the mosque spawn point, haven't you notice most of the time you spawn a pretty damn far away from the mosque? there is even some spawns in the suburbs... There is only like 3 spawns inside the mosque compound out of like 20 odd? you have something of like a 15% chance of spawning inside the mosque compound.

Also dont ask for any more ammo dumps, there is over 130 random locations they can spawn in, and even I the guy who has placed them cant remember them all when I could when there was only something like 30 odd in the OB. I would like to see if you can find a bunch more locations that I aint already used that aint in the middle of the open.
While playing on T&T server, British constantly kept harassing mosque, even if there was just a PKM and no caches around, and they kept spawning out of IFV parked next to the mosque near that construction site to SE.

On BattleArena server I had my commander issuing me an order to 'attack' mosque, looked kind alike this:
CO:SL 6, attack mosque with your squad and IFV
Me:What for?
CO: umm...well...you know..the Insurgents are there...so they..don't get out?..dunno
Me: Neg ...
CO: Ok

And I'll compile some pics with possible cache locations and send them over to you Rhino soon

Oh, and might as well run Fraps and record the never-to-be-heard-about mosque spawn rape, if I play Basrah any time soon.
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Post by Rhino »

simple way to go around it, spawn at suburbs, palace or village and assault them from there.... a commander on any map can tell his troops to divert from the main objective. But killing insurgents isn't going to win the game very easily.
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Post by Outlawz7 »

Emnyron wrote:...
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Allright, il put this short and SIMPLE!
If your tasked to hit the mosqe you do so, Its important, as it takes the pressure off the vcp, becuse we all know the VCP was not an issue before the Aircover went all like "Oh noez, insurgents have to fight like insurgents, Lets get that nasty aircover away so civies can once more dip feely in the water and the lightposts"

Yeah,sure, a couple of Insurgents attacked the VCP and managed to kill our 1337 sniper camping there, we should get revenge by pillaging and raping the mosque inside out for it...
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Post by Swe_Olsson »

as rhino said, theres not just one spawn location why bug with the Mosq?
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Post by agentscar »

WTF,Jayceon515,USMC uses both AH1-cobra and AH1z Cobra,along with the AH-64 Apache.
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Post by DavidP »

Rhino's Right though. I find spawning in the Immediate Mosque rare, Sure most of the time i usually spawn close to it and such but i've never been raped when i spawned to the extent you're talking about outlawz. I do admit i got killed twice in a row but that was when i spawned near industry.



Btw i own Basrah! Not physically but i am the best at locating caches! Rhino i know alot of spots and people dont believe it when i blow 8 caches with my squadies! They always think we cheat! :lol:
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