minus points for shoting medic at work

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2007-10-31 20:52

from what I've read u cant shoot medics in the other army if their working on someone. I think this should give minus points. I also think that the medics should be able to revive/heal opponents too because this does happen in real life. A nice contribution to the game would be a small medic chopper (place for 3 ppl) that can fly around helping ppl.

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-10-31 20:55

yes helping people IRL of the enemy dose happen , but this is bf2 , so u revive he shoots u .

also u can shoot any 1 with a gun IRL , and in bf2 medics carry guns, i thinks thats the rules of geneva , and it could be exploited so bad because the guy the medic is healing is so close to him would be a hard shot , be he will shoot u easy

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2007-10-31 20:58

the medics are allowed to have protection but not "heavy" weapons such as SAW but they are allowed to have assault rifles and SMGs. And it cant be exploited because the medic has to be working on him; reviving, healing etc

Waaah_Wah · Post by **Waaah_Wah** » 2007-10-31 21:52

Reviving enemys would take statpadding to a whole new dimention...

zardez · Post by **zardez** » 2007-10-31 22:09

lol yeah ghey idea, who wants to be a medic ***** anyway? i mean we play (well i do at least) online FPS games to shoot people not fly around like a little ***** healing people, IRL if there is a medic in the middle of nowhere helping one guy, and after he has magically healed him he is gonna come kill you, of course you shoot him dead.

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-10-31 22:45

zardez wrote:lol yeah ghey idea, who wants to be a medic ***** anyway? i mean we play (well i do at least) online FPS games to shoot people not fly around like a little ***** healing people, IRL if there is a medic in the middle of nowhere helping one guy, and after he has magically healed him he is gonna come kill you, of course you shoot him dead.

Wow gentlemen, this is why dropping your child on its head is not a good idea.

As for the OP, combat medics are an exception and are legitimate targets. To shoot a combat medic in war in the act of healing somebody is immoral yes, but against no international laws to my knowledge.

torenico · Post by **torenico** » 2007-11-01 01:51

nah man

a entire army of medics....

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-11-01 02:07

This idea would go better in a WW1 or WW2 setting, seeing as how the no shooting the medic rule stopped being used in korea/vietnam

Doom721 · Post by **Doom721** » 2007-11-01 04:22

Theres a difference between BF2 medics and medics in RL

Medics in PR are short term, life savers that fight in combat.

Now a medic ( not a combat medic in RL )

Say at a medic station putting someones leg back where it belongs, or treating you for shock, dousing you in morphine etc.... thats a "medic-medic"

Though you'd probally shoot them anyways when it came down to it.

I've heard this before, and with the BF2 engine, making medics immune to fire whilst using the medic bag or shock paddles, or only when the healing + is up, would either render them immune, or shot like civilians by spec op lone wolfs in insurgency mode for negative points.

In short, worth the thought - wont work in PR.

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2007-11-01 06:04

ok well not many ppl for that idea :/

G0ggy · Post by **G0ggy** » 2007-11-01 11:14

Actually I Like it, but I think there's too many variables to program in to stop it being abused and to make it fair. Medics as non-combatants would have to be the way it would work and as our previous forum contributor so eloquently put it, who wants to run around the map healing? Actually looking at my stats I may have found a career...

Hardtman · Post by **Hardtman** » 2007-11-01 17:08

As far as I am aware there are two kinds of medics:

Combat Livesavers: These are basically just Riflemen with some enhanced medical training and equipment. You usually can't see a difference between a Livesaver and you usual Grunt.

"Real" Medics: These guys have only a rather basic military training but are very well trained and equipped in medical terms. They wear big red crosses (or sometimes red david-stars or half-moons, depending on their country) on white ground.
The Hagian Convention forbids to shoot them or hurt/kill them in any other way.
They may carry a weapon (PDW, Carbine, Assault Rifle) for self-defense, but when they carry any "offensive" equipment, like UGL's, Machine Guns, DMR's or Sniper Rifles, they forfeit this protection.

This is mostly out together of stuff I can still remember from various sources, and I may be wrong in some (or even all :lol

points.

That said, another thing, but bear in mind that this is now only assumption:
I seem to recall from somewhere that the "real" Medics also are bound to the hippocrean (sp?) oath, which basically "forces" them to tend to anyone who is wounded, regardless in what army they are.

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2007-11-01 17:14

well what i really wanna know is if this is possible?

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2007-11-01 21:25

Been suggested before, bad idea overall. Like someone else said there's too many variables involved to keep it from not being exploited. I can picture whole squads of medics finding ways to get themselves killed in order to benefit themselves and/or their team.

Also, healing an enemy combatant would also become a major exploit. Imagine enemies reviving you, then shooting you, reviving you again, shooting you again etc.... Remember there is no taking prisoners, and good morals within games aren't commonly seen.

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2007-11-01 21:30

well maybe not all the things but at least a widened medic role?

DOAW · Post by **DOAW** » 2007-11-02 03:56

Hardtman wrote:As far as I am aware there are two kinds of medics:

Combat Livesavers: These are basically just Riflemen with some enhanced medical training and equipment. You usually can't see a difference between a Livesaver and you usual Grunt.

"Real" Medics: These guys have only a rather basic military training but are very well trained and equipped in medical terms. They wear big red crosses (or sometimes red david-stars or half-moons, depending on their country) on white ground.
The Hagian Convention forbids to shoot them or hurt/kill them in any other way.
They may carry a weapon (PDW, Carbine, Assault Rifle) for self-defense, but when they carry any "offensive" equipment, like UGL's, Machine Guns, DMR's or Sniper Rifles, they forfeit this protection.

This is mostly out together of stuff I can still remember from various sources, and I may be wrong in some (or even all :lol points.

That said, another thing, but bear in mind that this is now only assumption:
I seem to recall from somewhere that the "real" Medics also are bound to the hippocrean (sp?) oath, which basically "forces" them to tend to anyone who is wounded, regardless in what army they are.

Combat Lifesavers are not medics or corpsman in any sense of the word, they are non medical personnel who have been given extra first aid training. The most complicated procedure they teach combat lifesavers is how to give an IV. They're generally given a combat lifesavers bag, which is basically full of a whole bunch of assorted bandages.

I can't speak for medics, but Navy Corpsman don't wear big red crosses. They wear their rank insignia on their right collar and the caduceus on their left, and either one on their flak jacket(but usually the caduceus). Ironically, the Caduceus is the Greek symbol for commerce, and is often confused with the actual greek symbol for medicine, the Rod of Asclepius.

The "half moon" is called the Red Crescent.

The Hague and/or Geneva probably do prohibit the targeting of medics, but lots of countries don't follow the conventions, including the United States who cherry picks which parts they're going to follow and which they're not.

Generally speaking, Corpsman are not allowed to carry offensive weaponry, which includes all the things you mentioned and also rifles and carbines, although I've seen exceptions. They're almost always given defensive weapons like pistols or shotguns (I always found it strange in the Battlefield series that engineers carry shotguns and corpsman rifles, when in real life it's usually reversed).

Corpsman don't take the Hippocratic Oath, they take the Corpsman's Oath, which is somewhat similar. Physicians (those with medical degrees) take the hippocratic oath, but it's not a legally binding document in any case. Medical personnel aren't compelled to put themselves into harm's way to treat enemy combatants, but if the enemy surrenders or is captured then they're supposed to give aid. I imagine in a triage situation a corpsman would be biased to give aid to a Marine over the enemy, but field hospitals are far more impartial.