AA used against infantry?

LeoBloom. · Post by **LeoBloom.** » 2007-11-06 16:42

Is this a valid tactic in real life?

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-11-06 16:43

hell YES

AA guns have always been used as multi purpose.

EDIT: hehe be nice if the insurgents got one of these, on the back of a HiAce flatback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcEFYfYrhiE

Post by **Deadfast** » 2007-11-06 18:46

Do you mean the commander deployed AA emplacements or the portable, shoulder fired ones (Strela, Stinger) ?

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » 2007-11-06 18:47

now AA cant be used agaisnt infantry on TG, wat are we meant to use now!

j/k i still love TG server!

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-11-06 18:51

I believe that the USSR designation for their AA guns even mentioned them being used against ground targets, but I'm not sure as to exactly how.

Also, the Germans 88mm gun was both AA and AT, so it's not like it's rare for AA to be used for other roles too.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-11-06 19:17

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7UOp8iSNn2s
Ive seen some videos of the Ruskys using them against chechens too, google it.

Looks fairly effective.

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-11-06 19:53

WNxCareBear wrote:now AA cant be used agaisnt infantry on TG, wat are we meant to use now!

Is this true??

So you cant use commander placed AA to defend against infantry attacking your position??

This will be ignored by players in the heat of the battle.

Sounds nuts to me.

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » 2007-11-06 20:14

MadTommy wrote:Is this true??

So you cant use commander placed AA to defend against infantry attacking your position??

This will be ignored by players in the heat of the battle.

Sounds nuts to me.

no its a joke, because they banned my beloved HAT V infantry

and because there was a thread exactly like this for the H AT when u were away i think

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-11-06 21:27

LeoBloom. wrote:Is this a valid tactic in real life?

Yes, even since WWII, with the Germans and their carriage mounted light, rapid-fire flak guns

In Vietnam the Vulcan Air Defense System was used for counter-ambush fire in jungle convoys.

The Russians used to include ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs in convoys through the mountain passes in Afghanistan, since their weapons could elevate to a greater angle than the other vehicles and engage guerrillas on the high cliffs. ZSU-23-4s and 2S6s were also used in Grozny to clear basements since they can also depress their guns pretty low, and because of the incredibly high rate of fire that 4 linked automatic cannons can produce. Their rates of turret traverse are equal to or better than most modern infantry fighting vehicles.

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2007-11-06 21:33

Ya TG's whole thing will be no longer after about 100 people use it vs inf and on basrah its the best way to defend VCP.

SGT.JOKER · Post by **SGT.JOKER** » 2007-11-06 21:38

I know the US uses/used their AA guns to "empty" bunkers

Clypp · Post by **Clypp** » 2007-11-06 21:43

From what I've heard, the Vulcan Air Defenses System never shot down a plane however it did make a whole load of infantry kills in Vietnam. It's a very valid tactic.

Waaah_Wah · Post by **Waaah_Wah** » 2007-11-06 22:06

Is he talking about AA or AAA?

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2007-11-06 22:08

From what I've heard, the Vulcan Air Defenses System never shot down a plane however it did make a whole load of infantry kills in Vietnam. It's a very valid tactic.

It did but not many. It is also on the Ginshjips the US army uses along with the 105 Nade lauchers and other things.

Post by **LeadMagnet** » 2007-11-06 22:12

LtSoucy wrote:It did but not many. It is also on the Ginshjips the US army uses along with the 105 Nade lauchers and other things.

That'd be the 105mm Howitzer, 40mm cannon and 20mm guns on the Spectre that the Air Force uses.

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2007-11-06 22:17

ya and all of those thing ill anything. I saw a movie a day or 2 ago on youtube and it killed so many insrgents in Vietnam that some USMC soldiers after a siege walked around after and that and some bombers leveled a 2 mile+ ring around the base. Only thing were tree stumps and trees on the ground if not burned by naplam. I love how deadly the US is. WOOT WOOT!

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-11-06 22:18

Clypp wrote:From what I've heard, the Vulcan Air Defenses System never shot down a plane however it did make a whole load of infantry kills in Vietnam. It's a very valid tactic.

The Israelis also used it at the time, and I think they may have knocked down a MiG or two. They still use it and offer upgrade packages for export.

Soucy, the Vulcan is on almost all US fighter aircraft, too (with the exception of the A-10, Harrier and JSF) and has been the standard since the F4 Phantom II. The Spectre and Spooky AC-130 Gunships will be losing all but their 105-s for Bushmaster II 30mm cannons, which fire the same ammunition family as the A-10's GAU-8 cannon.

Post by **IronTaxi** » 2007-11-06 23:22

i know TG has such a policy but to be completely honest..the 2 maps (7gates, Mestia) where i have placed aa the primary purpose is anti infantry...

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2007-11-07 01:33

and they are damn fun to use too!

Post by **Mongolian_dude** » 2007-11-07 19:20

Well, if he means AAVs (linebacker+Tunguska), yes waste em as you wish. I dare you not to kill them with it!

If he means AAA (air defense cannons) Yes, I'd think they would be used against INF like anything else.

However, if he means MANPAD AA (hand-held stinger/ Grail) then i wouldn't think it would be in the interest of conventional militaries to piss all their ammo at INF.

I think MANPADS are just like HAT but a little less in demand in PR and probably IRL (more important than LAT but not HAT).

It's not so bad imo, to fire an RPG at a concentration of INF/Squad, bunker, tower building window or any other fortified position, but at a single or couple of guys just fun/experience degrading spam.

HAT just shouldn't be fired at INF full stop (unless to TK two guys when you have capped out the enemy and there is 1 ticket left lol)

...mongol...