Will this be able to run PR on high ?

Post by **Deadfast** » 2007-11-09 14:10

Yeah, forget the quad-core. As Tiger said, most of the apps don't support quad-core CPUs (BF2, therefore even PR won't run on more then 1 core BTW).

You can invest the money to faster RAM and souncard

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EagleEyeLG · Post by **EagleEyeLG** » 2007-11-09 14:18

Yeah... so this thread wasn't just started to show off your rig or anything...

You know damn well that that rig can run the game at high. Christ, if there was a "real life" setting it could probably handle that too.

ReconAus · Post by **ReconAus** » 2007-11-09 14:24

OMG for the last time i didnt know if it was good enough to play PR on high, i dont have it yet and i posted this to see 1 if it could ans 2 to see if there was anything that you guys thought i should add or change.

ReconAus

EagleEyeLG · Post by **EagleEyeLG** » 2007-11-09 14:39

ReconAus wrote:OMG for the last time i didnt know if it was good enough to play PR on high, i dont have it yet and i posted this to see 1 if it could ans 2 to see if there was anything that you guys thought i should add or change.

ReconAus

I don't buy that at all.

However, I'll recommend as others have said getting a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer sound card or something along that line.

ReconAus · Post by **ReconAus** » 2007-11-09 15:04

Wat ever man i dont care wat you think of me. Anyway thx 4 the help so far guys i've now added a sound card to my list. i would also like to know which one of these two motherboards you guys think is better Gigabyte X38-DS5 or the Gigabyte P35C-DS3R

ReconAus

Post by **Masaq** » 2007-11-09 15:23

ReconAus wrote:OK that list was just something my mate and i put together in 30mins, so now i just want to know wat you guys think of it and also. i would like to know which one of these two motherboards you guys think is better Gigabyte X38-DS5 or the Gigabyte P35C-DS3R. and i will have to look if i will need a sound card

thx

ReconAus

I've got a P35C-DS3R, it's a nice mobo but it's missing a few features I'd maybe like - such as Firewire support, two full-length PCIe slots (no possibility of SLI or Crossfire support). It's nice that it has two DDR3 slots - which would make it good for upgrade support down the line. It also copes with Intel's new 1333Mhz FSB, which is nice. They're also pretty robust (apparently) - they're in Gigabyte's tougher-components range. The ICH9 southbridge is also a very good piece of kit.

On the other hand, the X38 chipset is quicker and newer - and will support 45nm processors. However (for now) it too won't support SLI, only Crossfire (ATi's dual-graphics card setup) (but it will support both ATi cards at x16 bandwidth, whereas any motherboard on a P35 chipset will only handle two x8 slots or a x16/x4 arrangement - meaning either both or one of the cards will never have full bandwidth capacity.

Hope that's not too technical and helps somewhat!

Edit: I wouldn't worry too much about the Quad Core - they're only marginally quicker and only on a few tasks, at present. True QC efficiency will take many more years to come; and certainly a Core 2 Duo with the faster FSB - the E6550, 6650 and 6750 chips are all very nice hardware indeed. (I've an E6750, which I keep underclocked most of the time, and still run PR at full settings even when antivirus scans etc are going - 100FPS.)

CareBear · Post by **CareBear** » 2007-11-09 17:43

get a bigger screen, 22inch pfft, get like a 40-50inch tele with computer socket, and bobs your uncle!

Simmage · Post by **Simmage** » 2007-11-09 20:27

Sound Cards and virtually worthless unless you plan to use your GAMING Computer for recording music. Trust me, they mess things up more than they help.

Although a crisp bit of sound effects is nice once and a while.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2007-11-09 20:32

Soundcards are not worthless.

They give you better sound quality and save you CPU usage that's needed to process the sound effects without soundcard.

Simmage · Post by **Simmage** » 2007-11-09 20:41

Yeah, and he has one hell of a PC to make up for the sound use. The quality of sound is a small part of the experience to me. They also cause some games to crash and can be a power hog, especially if he plans to use an 8800.

But thats my viewpoint. Note the keyword above - Virtually Worthless

Ti_GER Niqo · Post by **Ti_GER Niqo** » 2007-11-09 20:57

Simmage wrote:Yeah, and he has one hell of a PC to make up for the sound use. The quality of sound is a small part of the experience to me. They also cause some games to crash and can be a power hog, especially if he plans to use an 8800.

But thats my viewpoint. Note the keyword above - Virtually Worthless

May I ask where you got this information? And - no offense - but who sais sound is a small part of the experience has never played PR on highest Sound with a suround headset or speakers. You dont have to be audiophilic - although I personally think everybody is more or less - but it simply boosts the experience to another level.

Post by **Masaq** » 2007-11-09 20:58

On a rig that's that powerful and with those capabilities, to my mind he'd be foolish to leave off a semi-decent soundcard. That's like buying a Porche 911 Carrera and then insisting that before they ship it to you, you want them to cover the entire body with acoustic insulation.

Sound *should* be an integral part of a gaming experience - it helps with immersion and involvement in the game, and more importantly - can provide you, the player, with really top-notch information about your surroundings and the ongoing game.

Since I put an X-Fi in my machine and started running sound through my main stereo system's amp and 6-point setup, I've noticed a hell of a change in in-game sounds and how I respond to them. In PR it's slowed my gameplay down a hell of a lot, because now I can locate people and events by the noise they're making, and so stopping to listen and observe is actually meaningful.

Recon - you can get an X-Fi Extreme Gamer for around £50(GBP) (so around 100USD if you're a yank), and since you're obviously not short on cash, I'd get one.

Waaah_Wah · Post by **Waaah_Wah** » 2007-11-09 21:55

^^ I also have the X-Fi Extreme Gamer and the sound is great!

Post by **Jaymz** » 2007-11-09 22:27

Q : Will this be able to play PR on high

A : Yes

JustMe · Post by **JustMe** » 2007-11-09 22:49

Mines not near as good as that & i run mine on high

Cpt.Kawakowitsch · Post by **Cpt.Kawakowitsch** » 2007-11-10 12:09

Sry, but your friend is by himself a kind of a PC-Noob:

RAM:
Your rig will run a q6600 (get one with G0 Stepping), but only 667MHZ RAM, get at least 800MHZ. Thats the point where the your friend failed, I guess he is choosing the components by price - higher the better and thats the wrong approach. As someone mentioned before, there is no point to get a Quadcore, but they are cheap, so go for it.
Second is the Size: to use 4GB RAM you need a 64bit OS, 32bit OS will only adress 2,8 - 3GB (with some tweaking, without it will only adress about 2GB). I guess you will install Vista, as your gonna buy 4GB RAM you need the 64bit Version, if you want to use the whole 4GB and I can tell you PR will not run on 64bit Vista nice and smooth - no it won't run at all.

Power Supply:
You will never ever need a 750W power supply, this is total overkill and the only thing you will get out of this, is a high eletricity bill. Get a Corsair 520W power supply. That will fit your specs well.

Mainboard:
If you don't gonna plan to overclock your System the x38-DS5 is also overkill and as you said you are don't know much in this sector, i guess u won't do much overclocking. So a P35-DS4 will do it very well.

GFX
The 8800GTX is a good card no doubt, but the 8800GT is overall about 10% behind the GTX and costs half the price. So I would buy a 8800GT instead of the GTX. Get the cheapest one, they are all the same (Foxconn is building the PCB and NV the Chips, all the producers like Gainward, Sparkel, etc. are doing is sticking the parts together and label it).

Display:
In the price sector of about 300$ the HP w2207h is a very very good choice, so i would recommend this one. And if you have that much money to spend on a pc, don't buy high-end components without a good display, what's the need of all the stuff, if you can't see it well. When you are willing to spend more money on a display than 300$ look for a 24" Dell.

Case
That's a matter of taste, but 180$ for a case. I don't know if its worth it.

CPU-Cooler is missing! Get a Scythe Mugen or a IFX-14 if it fits in your case.

For the money you will save get a X-FI (not the X-FI extreme audio) and invite your girl friend for dinner. No, you will save so much money you can take her for a weekend to hawaii.

If you don't wanna be kind to your girlfriend buy a 7.1 or 5.1 speakerset from Teufel, Logitech or Creative.

And if you plan only to play PR, this rig is way too much.

Again: the high priced components aren't always the best

If you still plan to buy that rig, that your friend told you too, buy at least faster RAM.

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-11-10 12:13

Simmage wrote:Sound Cards and virtually worthless unless you plan to use your GAMING Computer for recording music. Trust me, they mess things up more than they help.

Although a crisp bit of sound effects is nice once and a while.

you are talking out of your backside! Trust you, you're joking right?
What does a good sound card mess up? Have you actually ever had a good sound card?

I'm not sure I’ve heard such a ridiculous statement in a long time.. good one mate lol. You clearly know little about PC hardware.

EDIT : Its understandable if you think a good sound card is not worth the money in your case, but to make statemnets about how they cause more harm than good.. is just talking shite.. and when people want advice its best not to talk shite

Cpt.Kawakowitsch · Post by **Cpt.Kawakowitsch** » 2007-11-10 12:42

Forgot something: I don't know where you based at, but the shop, where you guys have chosen the parts is way way way too expensiv e.g. the x38 board costs about 300$. Here in Germany it is about 160 EUR thats 235$, so look for a cheaper shop.

EagleEyeLG · Post by **EagleEyeLG** » 2007-11-10 22:15

I have heard that upgraded sound cards have boosted people's FPS by up to 15 frames.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-11-10 22:45

Thats not likely in this case because the cpu is way overspec and using onboard will cause no problem imo

I used to own a XFI but sold it when I switched from bf2 to PR. The effects in pr are so good anyway I didnt think it was really being put to any use compared to the onboard.

The latest EAX version on there works really well in BF2 but its such a subtle thing, you'd not notice most of the time in a busy game and the ultra high obviously only applies to bf2 and its a false restriction anyway afaik.

I wish I had that 768mb of vram, pr is one of a few games where having that much vram really helps lag I think. If Im in a heli I always cruise the map first to try and cache the textures to memory

I can locate people and events by the noise they're making, and so stopping to listen and observe is actually meaningful

I do that, I find earphones helps (also good for stopping voip echo). Squadies who wont shut up are a real hazard on the otherhand, for this reason