Adding more diversity to the armys

[Maxfragg]

at the moment basicly the armys have different weapons but all regular Armys have 4 example the same kits, which is not that realistic. I would suggest that all armys get there differences where it is realistic.
e.g. (for example 4 those who do not speak latin)
the LSW should simply be a support weapon (support kit with a lot more mags than the current DM) and the british should not have a DM kit, since they do not have Designated Marksman, just as the Russians have no real Snipers in their basic troops, just DM armed with Dragunov. So i suggest to bring in there some differences and balance them with the kitnumbers
The British could get less Heavy Supporters and more Snipers, when the LSW is simply a light support kit, somewhat between Marksman and Support.

[nedlands1]

The diversity is in action not name. With regards to the LSW, it is a unique weapon. It is the only "marksmen" rifle with a fully auto firemode. The damage of weapons has also been tweaked, along with the recoil, to add diversity. Gone are the days where one DMR was the same as another. The British currently use the Minimi LMG to supplement the L86A2 LSW, so it is not that far fetched to have it as the "support" weapon. I don't think any army has snipers as part of their, "basic troops" either but I like the idea of asymmetrical kit balancing.

[Jaymz]

perhaps Eddie Baker or another military advsor could chime in here...

[Bowskill]

The Britsh DO have designated marksmen (L86a1), but it takes the place of that fireteams light support (Minimi).
A standard British 4 man fireteam consists of 1 L85a2, 1 L85a2 w/ AG36 UGL, 1 GPMG and either a Minimi or L86a1. Sniper rifles aren't to my knowledge used by line infantry.

I doubt there would be any diversity unless certain weapons would be deemed highly ineffective in that specific situation.

[supahpingi]

Stop about that british marksman discussion,just waith until an advisor can give the onfo.
About the diverse armys.....this would be a great idea!!

[Bowskill]

Stop about that british marksman discussion,just waith until an advisor can give the onfo.
About the diverse armys.....this would be a great idea!!

I was not discussing it, I was saying how it is. Hell, the information is available all over the internet including the army website..

Edit - I'm sure using it as a DMR was confirmed with the advisers before it was introduced into the game for marksman initially anyway, and even if it wasn't straight away, when it was given more magazines I'm sure if there was an issue with it being used as a DMR it would have been discussed.

[Eddie Baker]

Well, having most of the same kits/classes is realistic; even if they go by different names in those armies, a rifleman is going to have the same function. Most modern military forces have a similar basic structure, but I like where you're going with this.

The L86A2 has been confirmed with our British Army advisors as a Designated Marksman Rifle; it was re-designated as such with the adoption of the L110A1 at the rifle fire-team level, which has replaced the LSW in the section base-of-fire role (so I don't think a fire team or section commander is going to swap out the L110A1 for a designated marksman L86, but maybe one of the L85s will be "sacrificed"). In certain units of the British Army and in Royal Marines Commando Battalions, the L115A1 LRR is issued from the battalion arms room to a rifle platoon.

Other than handing the L86 or L115A1 to the best shot in the unit, I have heard of no formal selection and training program for section or platoon designated marksmen in the British Army and Royal Marines, but that doesn't mean there is not one in development. So, they do have "designated marksmen," just not a (published) qualification identifier for it. You would have to ask an active UK servicemember about that; I will point Gaz, who has experience in this area (recce platoon sniper), to this thread.

As for snipers in "basic" units, US and UK infantry battalions have "stalk-trained" snipers in a recce / scout platoon, or in the case of the USMC, a dedicated Surveillance and Target Acquisition (STA) (Scout-Sniper) Platoon. So, they are not just found in special operations forces.

Current and accurate information on Russia's sniper training and employment (rather than the platoon [and section in the case of the VDV] designated marksmen who receive the Dragunov) is sketchy, as is information for the PLA. Highly trained snipers (ones trained to operate in small independent elements, stalk, observe and adjust supporting fires, etc.), once extremely rare, are starting to become more common.

[Gaz]

at the moment basicly the armys have different weapons but all regular Armys have 4 example the same kits, which is not that realistic. I would suggest that all armys get there differences where it is realistic.
e.g. (for example 4 those who do not speak latin)
the LSW should simply be a support weapon (support kit with a lot more mags than the current DM) and the british should not have a DM kit, since they do not have Designated Marksman, just as the Russians have no real Snipers in their basic troops, just DM armed with Dragunov. So i suggest to bring in there some differences and balance them with the kitnumbers
The British could get less Heavy Supporters and more Snipers, when the LSW is simply a light support kit, somewhat between Marksman and Support.

As easy as it is to mention how exact fighting formations are whatever strength, you have to admit that no formed army has come up against DiCE's rock solid, hard coded squad system This along with the maximum players allowed on a server (64) contributes to how much we can change the implied 'layout' of a team in PR.

Since 2004, the L110A1 (Minimi Para) has been the section level support weapon for the British Army. Since 2004, the LSW (L86A2) has had no official defined role any more, at section level. So it has been re-roled all but on paper, without modification as yet, as a DMR at section level. I can promise you, if you took a cross-section of any infantry Company within the British Army or Royal Marines, you'd find around 15:1 ratio of Support weapons to Sniper roled weapons.

The Sharp Shooter and Sniper cadres are run out of HQ Infantry's location in the UK, so there are recognised courses to be qualified in before getting your hands on kit such as the L96 or L115. Long ranged weapons (as well as javelin AT) operators are ISTAR (recce) trained, and the majority of their day to day taskings are observing. These weapon systems and their operators are part of Battalion & Company level ops, but can be tasked to plt level if deemed nessessary for the mission. So it's entirely possible you will have snipers with long ranged scoped weapons fighting alongside a platoon level formation (30 soldiers, which is realtime PR). Don't forget that although PR has 31 players per side (and 2 commanders), the assets available to the teams are coy/battalion. Hence the respawn, and the implied reinforcements that Battalion level assaults would emcompass.

[DavidP]

You want Reality? You can't handle Reality!

[CDN-SMOKEJUMPER]

Thanks Eddy and Gaz, very informative in regards to real life and how you lot have put it in the game.

cheers for that

[Jaymz]

There you have it ladies and gents. Why we trust our military advisors

One more thing, SVD is not a DMR as far as I know.

[Bob_Marley]

There you have it ladies and gents. Why we trust our military advisors

One more thing, SVD is not a DMR as far as I know.

The SVD is generally condidered to be a DMR due to its semi auto capabilites, effective range of around 600m and low power scope (can't remember what the current issue is, but the old PSO-1 was 4x). Its only not called a "DMR" due to how the Russians structure their forces with snipers integrated into line infantry platoons (or in the VDV, iirc, squads) rather than in seperate units. The effectivly perform the same role as Designated Marksmen in Western armies.

[LtSoucy]

ya thanks eddie and gaz. Good thing the mod team is made of Military adiviors.