Get rid of the damn shotguns

Tacticsniper815 · Post by **Tacticsniper815** » 2006-01-18 05:36

i dont know about you but i dont like the shotguns besides the marines dont use shotguns i think maybe you could give the engineers an SMG

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-01-18 05:57

Tacticsniper815 wrote:i dont know about you but i dont like the shotguns besides the marines dont use shotguns i think maybe you could give the engineers an SMG

The Marines and other US forces most certainly do use shotguns, but they are a specialized weapon not used in all situations. Combat engineers usually carry an M16 rifle just like their infantry counterparts, but may carry other weapons. In PR they will most likely have a choice between a rifle and the shotgun.

(Hi-res)

F.N.G. · Post by **F.N.G.** » 2006-01-18 06:39

Yeah, hes right. I did a couple of shotgun ranges, myself. I was just an 0311 rifleman at the time. Never personally took one to the field, though. They are killer in a MOUT environment.

dawdler · Post by **dawdler** » 2006-01-18 07:17

Personally I want more shotguns. Looks like those guys are packing body armor, no? I still want an assault with body armor, flashbangs, smokers and a pump action shotgun (because it looks cooler holding them than the automatics).

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-01-18 08:54

what looks cool is generaly "not" realistic though specops should have a shotie as well as an M4 seeing as they use them for raids and other stuff 3 shells though

dawdler · Post by **dawdler** » 2006-01-18 09:14

Hitperson wrote:what looks cool is generaly "not" realistic though specops should have a shotie as well as an M4 seeing as they use them for raids and other stuff 3 shells though

But it is obviously realistic. The guys on the image carry body armor and shotgun.

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-01-18 09:17

i like the spas 12 in the middle pickture

JellyBelly · Post by **JellyBelly** » 2006-01-18 10:26

what looks cool is generaly "not" realistic though specops should have a shotie as well as an M4 seeing as they use them for raids and other stuff 3 shells though

If this was to be implemented, id say give them the M4 Masterkey.

Awesome weapon. Mostly used by Special Forces teams as an entry weapon, hence the name Masterkey.
Works like an M203 launcher, except its replaced by a heavly modified Remington 870 12 Guage.

Tom#13 · Post by **Tom#13** » 2006-01-18 11:35

jesus how fun would they be. i would of thought that was a bit hard to work though

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-01-18 11:47

my vote is for keeping shotguns as an alternative for engineer class, the primary gun should be m16a2/ak74m though.

Post by **Evilhomer** » 2006-01-18 12:05

I think the primary weapon should be a carbine, or possible even an SMG. Make the classes a bit more diversified, The last thing we really want is to have three classes using the same weapon, it just makes us look lazy lol. {P.S} That US shotty looks great, how about having that as a CQB weapon, so you have a choice of nade launcher, or shotty if you play as an assault?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-01-18 12:30

Hitperson wrote:i like the spas 12 in the middle pickture

That's not a Franchi SPAS 12, the US never adopted those. Not sure if anyone outside of maybe the Italian forces and a lot of movie prop-weapons companies ever did. That's an M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun (H&K/Benelli M4 Super 90).

dawdler · Post by **dawdler** » 2006-01-18 14:02

'[R-DEV wrote:Evilhomer']That US shotty looks great, how about having that as a CQB weapon, so you have a choice of nade launcher, or shotty if you play as an assault?

Exactly! I love the grenade launcher, but each weapon has its own place. Sometimes I dont want a grenade launcher, I want something that can just plow through the enemy at CQB. That's what I do when I'm assault, that's my job. I want the weapons to do it with

The engineer just isnt fit for the task without the body armor, I'd rather have an M16 as engineer!

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2006-01-18 14:21

the masterkey tho sexy would be kinda pointless in BF as its mostly used to bust open doors, not something you do alot of in BF2

Post by **Evilhomer** » 2006-01-18 14:30

Beckwith wrote:the masterkey tho sexy would be kinda pointless in BF as its mostly used to bust open doors, not something you do alot of in BF2

.... To be continued.......

Eagle · Post by **Eagle** » 2006-01-18 14:33

True, even if doors were placed in buildings, there would be too much mapping necessary for there to be a point to open the door. I think that perhaps the Engineer should have an SMG and a shotgun perhaps.

Does anyone know what real USMC engineers are equiped with?

dawdler · Post by **dawdler** » 2006-01-18 14:55

Eagle wrote:True, even if doors were placed in buildings, there would be too much mapping necessary for there to be a point to open the door. I think that perhaps the Engineer should have an SMG and a shotgun perhaps.

Does anyone know what real USMC engineers are equiped with?

Its not really much mapping. We already have "doors" in BF2: The wooden obstructions in fences and similar. All you need is to make a door and place it in a doorway instead (some BF2 buildings are good for this). The REAL issue is that gameplay is way too fast paced (even in PRMM) to take the time to blow a door with a shotgun, lol.

Beckwith · Post by **Beckwith** » 2006-01-18 18:09

'[R-DEV wrote:Evilhomer'].... To be continued.......

interesting

and actually it wouldnt be that hard to make doors that open, if you can make it so that landing gear retracts into and aircraft you can animate a building model with a door that opens. hmmmmmmmmmmmm the possibilities

JellyBelly · Post by **JellyBelly** » 2006-01-18 19:17

Or you could just use the masterkey as a shotgun and a breaching tool. It is primarly breach weapon but works nicley in CQB situations.

Post by **Hitperson** » 2006-01-18 20:32

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']That's not a Franchi SPAS 12, the US never adopted those. Not sure if anyone outside of maybe the Italian forces and a lot of movie prop-weapons companies ever did. That's an M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun (H&K/Benelli M4 Super 90).

Ur right on low res that looked like a spas.