custom weapon kits?

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-04 00:39

ryan d ale wrote:Because your not powered by a Turbo Engine?

Because it is very stealth

I dont think a body armor is something you can call "stealth" FLIR will see you even if you're wearing body armor LOL. And you dont need to got tubo engine to carry a 30cm² plate of 1CM in you're jacket..

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-12-04 00:46

CDN-SMOKEJUMPER wrote:M4's and sidearms, you can always use a sidearm and anyone who can afford them will get one.

You cannot bring privately owned weapons on a deployment. Generally, the only troops issued sidearms are:

-Military police; including Criminal Investigations Division agents
-Other security forces; for example: Marine Security Guard Detachments at embassies, Marine Corps Security Force companies (including FAST Companies), Navy Mobile Security Squadrons / VBSS Teams and Ship's Reaction Forces.
-Crew-served weapon gunners; medium machineguns, mortars and man-portable rocket launchers/recoilless rifles.
-Tank crewmen; though carbines are becoming the norm.
-Aviators and aircrew; for helicopter crews, though, more carbines are appearing.
-Sniper team members
-Special operations forces
-Certain officers and NCOs in front-line units; platoon leaders/commanders, platoon sergeants and sometimes squad leaders.

Most other grunts will never even get a chance to qualify with the service pistol, just go through a familiarization session.

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-04 01:04

[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:You cannot bring privately owned weapons on a deployment. Generally, the only troops issued sidearms are:

-Military police; including Criminal Investigations Division agents
-Other security forces; for example: Marine Security Guard Detachments at embassies, Marine Corps Security Force companies (including FAST Companies), Navy Mobile Security Squadrons / VBSS Teams and Ship's Reaction Forces.
-Crew-served weapon gunners; medium machineguns, mortars and man-portable rocket launchers/recoilless rifles.
-Tank crewmen; though carbines are becoming the norm.
-Aviators and aircrew; for helicopter crews, though, more carbines are appearing.
-Sniper team members
-Special operations forces
-Certain officers and NCOs in front-line units; platoon leaders/commanders, platoon sergeants and sometimes squad leaders.

Most other grunts will never even get a chance to qualify with the service pistol, just go through a familiarization session.

Helicoptere pîlot didnot carry MP5 ? i mean in Black Hawk Down... Mike Durant was using an SMG...

LOL XD how about in Real life ? try to imagine the hell it became down here... you're black hawk is down around you... many hostile just wanted to hurt you as maximum whit evrything fallen in they're hand... DAMN hope Evac or Support is close-by.

BTW except SFO nobody realy use he's side arm weapon... and in fact, i dont think SFO would use it...may be in LAST resort but... its sure nobody will engage fight whit a 9mm in a real life war... its so "ridiculous" a riffleman will kill you at 300M... at that distance its useless to even try to shoot somone whit a pistols. Pass 50 Meters its USELESS.

XxNinjaSinXx · Post by **XxNinjaSinXx** » 2007-12-04 02:49

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Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-12-04 03:07

Hotrod525 wrote:Helicoptere pîlot didnot carry MP5 ? i mean in Black Hawk Down... Mike Durant was using an SMG...

they where evauating the MP5 in the 1990s, It was deemed not sutable

BTW except SFO nobody realy use he's side arm weapon... and in fact, i dont think SFO would use it...may be in LAST resort but... its sure nobody will engage fight whit a 9mm in a real life war... its so "ridiculous" a riffleman will kill you at 300M... at that distance its useless to even try to shoot somone whit a pistols. Pass 50 Meters its USELESS.

A SEAL trademark is a silenced pistol.

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-04 03:13

I love that scene, and it a true event, that show how loyal for each other soldier are. They go in, event if they know they will die for that guy. They sacrifice thei're life for a brother in arms. They do the right thing, Having been at them place I probably made the same choice.

YEAH BUT SEALS USE IT FOR CQC. <10M.

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-12-04 03:20

Hotrod525 wrote: YEAH BUT SEALS USE IT FOR CQC. <50M.

You agree, SOF do use pistols.

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-04 03:28

Teek wrote:You agree, SOF do use pistols.

YOU CHANGE MY POST, THEY USE IT FOR CLOSE ENGAGEMENT <10M.
SEAL's and Special Force Operator will use PRIMARY weapons most of the time, if you think they are little "rambo-1337" doing freaking 200M sniping whit the suppressed .45 ?

They use it like we use Knive in Battlefield. Grab the guy from behind and boom...unless the situation need, they will use many primary weapons at theire disposition like M16A3FA, HK416, SCAR... M4A1SOPMOD... you know weapons which can kill whit one shot over 300M...

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-12-04 03:43

Hotrod525 wrote:Helicoptere pîlot didnot carry MP5 ? i mean in Black Hawk Down... Mike Durant was using an SMG... LOL XD

Are you joking, because this has been discussed before? I'm sorry if English is not your primary language, but I think you should type more carefully.

US Army 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (and only that aviation unit) in the early 1990s issued MP5 variants to its aviators. After Somalia, they decided it lacked enough power, and stopped issuing them. They have not been used by any of our aircrews for 14 years.

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2007-12-04 04:03

Hotrod525 wrote:YOU CHANGE MY POST, THEY USE IT FOR CLOSE ENGAGEMENT <10M.
SEAL's and Special Force Operator will use PRIMARY weapons most of the time, if you think they are little "rambo-1337" doing freaking 200M sniping whit the suppressed .45 ?

They use it like we use Knive in Battlefield. Grab the guy from behind and boom...unless the situation need, they will use many primary weapons at theire disposition like M16A3FA, HK416, SCAR... M4A1SOPMOD... you know weapons which can kill whit one shot over 300M...

wtf man, read!
Um, a suppressed pistol can kill a unsuspecting target at 50m...Its also sneakier than a MG = more suitable.
no, they use a knife like in BF2 (or COD4) to slit a guys throat ect. if they can't get closer, then they use a suppressed pistol, if they can't do ether, then the go Overt with a offensive attack. The problem with a AR is you can shoot far, but they can hear it from further.

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-04 18:15

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistols#Di ... er_weapons
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg12-e.htm
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/hksocom.html

READ MEN READ !

EFFECTIVE RANGE : 54.70 yards.

Im sure you dont even ever shoot whit handgun to told me stupidity like this ! I Did and pass 25M Its became SO HARD to hit target right in the middle, now think to wind and weather...loool... inform you're self before. BTW Subsonic ammo in MP5SD6 is VERY SNEAKY. .45 make supersonic crack each time you shoot, if you reduce the powder enought to dont make crack... you're bullet cannot have enought velocity to even kill somone.

If .45 is so powerfull why did army give M16A4 moded costing 5 time the price of a single .45 ? humm let me think... you're handgun will not penetrate heavy body armor, if will not kill you except if you hit the heart or the head (almost impossible due the fact MICH helmet can stop a 357 MAGNUM bullet...) So Are you finish to kidding me whit you're "1337-ramboing" They use it for kill somone REALY CLOSE to them... that mean less then 10 meters. You know... REAL Special Force Operator will not spawn in 30 secondes if they got KIA.... so they dont take chance whit they're own life...

Post by **Masaq** » 2007-12-04 19:34

Get a grip on the debate guys. No more insulting each other or shouting with all-caps on.

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2007-12-04 19:50

Hotrod525 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistols#Di ... er_weapons
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg12-e.htm
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/hksocom.html

READ MEN READ !

EFFECTIVE RANGE : 54.70 yards.

Im sure you dont even ever shoot whit handgun to told me stupidity like this ! I Did and pass 25M Its became SO HARD to hit target right in the middle, now think to wind and weather...loool... inform you're self before. BTW Subsonic ammo in MP5SD6 is VERY SNEAKY. .45 make supersonic crack each time you shoot, if you reduce the powder enought to dont make crack... you're bullet cannot have enought velocity to even kill somone.

If .45 is so powerfull why did army give M16A4 moded costing 5 time the price of a single .45 ? humm let me think... you're handgun will not penetrate heavy body armor, if will not kill you except if you hit the heart or the head (almost impossible due the fact MICH helmet can stop a 357 MAGNUM bullet...) So Are you finish to kidding me whit you're "1337-ramboing" They use it for kill somone REALY CLOSE to them... that mean less then 10 meters. You know... REAL Special Force Operator will not spawn in 30 secondes if they got KIA.... so they dont take chance whit they're own life...

No, just no. A helmet doesnt cover your face. Your brain and heart dont care whether it is a 9mm bullet or a 120mm SABOT round last I checked. They kill you just the same.

Effective range of the Mk23 SOCOM Pistol (In common use with USSOCOM) is 54 yards, or 162 feet. Thats 1/2 a football field. And you can bet your butt that if you are in a SOF unit, then you can hit mighty close to that 162 feet. These guys shoot day in and day out until their bones are sore. (The trigger hand of a Special Forces Soldier is callaused and blistered heavily) The MP5SD is not a pistol, its a submachinegun (And yes for the smartasses out there, I am aware MP stands for Machine Pistol)

If they are inches away, they pull a knife. Its much quieter and leaves less evidence.

M16A3FA, HK416, SCAR... M4A1SOPMOD

The M16A3 (Not M16A3FA...) is rarely used now. Was going to be a SOF weapon but was useless compared to the M4A1. Also, it may still be used for Naval Security.

1337-ramboing" They use it for kill somone REALY CLOSE to them... that mean less then 10 meters. You know... REAL Special Force Operator will not spawn in 30 secondes if they got KIA.... so they dont take chance whit they're own life...

1. No.

2. Theirs no Respawn IRL? O Rly?

As for the 5.56 vs. .45 argument.

1. The AR15 family is 5.56 because of bureaucratic dipshits and the Cold War.

2. Whens the last time that US SOF had a mission against a competent, conventional army? WW2?

KP · Post by KP » 2007-12-04 20:27

Hotrod: I believe .45 rounds are sub-sonic. Also, pistols are a backup weapon, or a weapon to be used at short ranges. Of course no-one will use a pistol for long-range engagements.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-12-04 20:53

Are any of you goons Special Operations soldiers??? If not then I suggest you stfu, and drop the attitude toward one another. If you weren't a member of a Special Operations unit then how the hell do you "know" what the hell they would/will use and do??? Stop depending on Wikipedia to prove your point, cause you will just end up looking stupid. You Internet know it alls make me laugh... Just because you read it on the Internet doesn't make it true.

Again if you have not been there, done that, and got the dam T-shirt, then STFU about it. All you are doing is making the water muddy and confusing the people whom don't know any better.

How the hell can someone argue a point about something that they have never done? You have no idea what or how a Special Forces soldier or a Navy Seal for that matter would use a piece of equipment so why bother to speculate. This debate about taking out an enemy inside of 50 meters or even 10 meters is pointless, cause you don't really know until you have been there, so drop it ok. You guys spend too much time watching "the Unit". That TV show sucks *** by the way!

R

If someone on this forum has been in such a unit, then rest assured that I am not addressing you at this time. You can stand at ease

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-12-04 21:34

Well said Rico. Cut it out on the useless debate, stop using caps, and be respectful to each other, or there will be a lock/warnings.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-05 07:30

KP wrote:Hotrod: I believe .45 rounds are sub-sonic. Also, pistols are a backup weapon, or a weapon to be used at short ranges. Of course no-one will use a pistol for long-range engagements.

Yeah I believe that is correct. The De Lisle carbine was chambered in that caliber for that reason.

Raymond.Reiloff · Post by **Raymond.Reiloff** » 2007-12-05 20:44

My reason for asking was if soldiers IRL had the option to customize weapon setups, it would be an legitimate addon in PR. I realize now that the massive work with animations make it not so important atm.

i now declare this thread over...

Post by **Masaq** » 2007-12-05 21:24

Well, the OP thinks it's over... might as well lock to ensure we don't get more caliber/Spec Ops discussions