Exactly. Thankfully the devs see this and are taking care of it.[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:Im referring to the current situation with the over accuracy of the x4 zoom rifles. If your in cover at 150m and they are, they will just headshot you 80% of the time.... all he needs to do is go prone and headshot you with his uber accurate G3 x4.
It is not hard to understand. You have the same amount of accuracy as your opponent with the rifles that have zoom. The difference is though that you have a SAW or support weapon and they do not. The SAW is accurate as hell and if you point it at them and they stick their head up, they are likely to get hit or wounded. Now, add that rifleman or two next to him and you will be able to suppress them long enough to move up or at least kill them. If the support weapons does kill him, then it is likely that the rifleman will. Simple as that.Rico11b wrote:How can you say this? You are defeating your own argument with this.
You say suppressing fire WORKS, but then you say if someone shoots at YOU (I'm assuming you mean in game) then you would get on the SAW (or have someone else do it) and kill them. That makes no sense! If suppressive fire were WORKING in game, then why in the hell would you grab a SAW and return fire until they are dead? Seems to me that if it was really WORKING in game then you should be seeking cover and protection from their SUPPRESSIVE FIRE, and then you can worry about returning fire and achieving "FIRE SUPERIORITY".
So what you mean is suppressive fire is ONLY WORKING for YOU in game, and not anyone else. ANY weapon fired at you will have the ability to suppress you. Doesn’t matter if it’s a SAW or not. Unless you are just a dummyhead and are willing to expose yourself to the chance of getting hit only because you REFUSE to be suppressed. Well in real life bullets couldn't give a dam about whether or not you refuse to be suppressed.
Also how can you agree that the accuracy statement Wolfe made is correct, and then say if someone shoots at you from afar you will return fire. These rifles in game are soooo accurate that if you get shot at from “afar” then you will mostly be hit and downed from afar. With overly accurate assault rifles likes these in game there won’t be a firefight and thus no need for suppressive fire now will it. Almost no one seems to miss their intended targets in game. If suppressive fire were working in game, then you wouldn't see lots of guys running around out in the complete open. They would be looking for cover and concealment. The only safety in this game is to NEVER stop moving around. These rifles are SOOOOOO accurate that if you stand still for any length of time you are dead meat, cause these rifles don't miss.
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Yes I know all about the M16. I carried one for a very long time. I DON'T want the rifles to be SUPER INACCURATE, nor do I want them to be SUPER ACCURATE. Which is how they are now. I understood fully what you were saying, however most of the time in game it doesn't bare fruit. If you have a SAW and the other guy is a Rifleman, then at medium to long range that Rifleman will own you most of the time. That's just how it is in game. Mostly cause he has optics and M249 doesn't. As it stands the assault rifles are STILL way to accurate. In game weapons ARE way more accurate than the real life weapons they are supposed to emulate.00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:It is not hard to understand. You have the same amount of accuracy as your opponent with the rifles that have zoom. The difference is though that you have a SAW or support weapon and they do not. The SAW is accurate as hell and if you point it at them and they stick their head up, they are likely to get hit or wounded. Now, add that rifleman or two next to him and you will be able to suppress them long enough to move up or at least kill them. If the support weapons does kill him, then it is likely that the rifleman will. Simple as that.
Maybe the reason why people run out in the open is because they have to? There are plenty of places where you cannot hide or have to cross with no cover. Most of the time when I run across the open, I usually get shot or killed, so your argument really makes no sense. If I have 5 other guys running with me though across the open and returning fire or covering me, then my chances just increased by 50% of making it to the other side.
So you would rather have the weapons super inaccurate in order to have a firefight? Then what would be the point of a firefight then? I could just run across the open and actually make it to the other side without fear of dying. And trust me, on a map like EJOD or Basrah, there are plenty of firefights. Just don't keep your head up and take occasional shots and you will kill someone.
It is not hard to shoot a rifleman either. You act like they need to be super inaccurate. The M16 is not a hard rifle to shoot in real life.
And that is how it would be in real life pretty much. How can you expect a SAW to be accurate at medium to longer ranges even with a scope or sight? The weapon wasn't designed for acccuracy, it was designed to fire at a high rate of fire. Now,the way the weapon is ingame is pretty accurate because the weapon in real life is pretty good at medium ranges and farely/somewhat accurate, but the SAW was not designed to be a weapon for a lone wolf. I do not know if you are lone wolving or not, but if you have a SAW and rifleman against 2 other rifleman, then you have the advantage if they know how to use it at close to medium range. At longer ranges though, of course the rifleman would win because their weapons are designed for accuracy. Kind of common sense. Hence why you close with and engage them.Rico11b wrote:Yes I know all about the M16. I carried one for a very long time. I DON'T want the rifles to be SUPER INACCURATE, nor do I want them to be SUPER ACCURATE. Which is how they are now. I understood fully what you were saying, however most of the time in game it doesn't bare fruit. If you have a SAW and the other guy is a Rifleman, then at medium to long range that Rifleman will own you most of the time. That's just how it is in game. Mostly cause he has optics and M249 doesn't. As it stands the assault rifles are STILL way to accurate. In game weapons ARE way more accurate than the real life weapons they are supposed to emulate.
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In a real-life firing range, yes.00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:And that is how it would be in real life pretty much. At longer ranges though, of course the rifleman would win because their weapons are designed for accuracy.
Of course the game will not play out as real life, but if someone chooses to do something unrealistic, then they are likely to pay the consequences for it. If you do not stick your head down or charge at a .50 cal, then you are probably gonna be shot by it.Wolfe wrote:In a real-life firing range, yes.
In a real-life combat range, no.
Of course a riffle is more accurate, but who in their right mind would even THINK about sticking his head out on the chance he'll be hit by a .50 roaring in his direction.
Black Hawk Down:
Hate to use this as an example, but it fits perfectly. Remember when the humv's were trying to leave the city the first time and were being surrounded by the entire city with guns? And the seargent ordered the .50 gunner on top to "fire over their heads"?Moral of the story:
- Real life: The crowd parted like the red sea even though most of them were carrying riffles and other weapons. The mere sound of the .50 caused a mass panic because nobody wanted to be hit.
- PR: The crowd drops to a knee and 200 single-shot AK-47 bullets hit the .50 cal gunner between the eyes.
You can't just plug in real-life ballistic accuracy and expect the game to reasonably play out like real-life. Unless you compensate for the human element of fear, panic, and it's effect on natural reactions, you're only going to end up with an unnatural result: a .50 gunner laying down suppressive fire and the rifleman who pops up and head shots him in .1 seconds.
Sounds like a good point. Maybe they can make it so that you DON'T get another chance after you die, that's your life for the round. You die, then you're out.Ragni<RangersPL> wrote:As long as you will be having "another life" after 30 sec. after death, there will be no fear of beeing shot.
3-4 months ago i told my friend to get PR. He did, so we joined a OGT server and started playing. He didnt read the manual so i was kinda telling him stuff underway. When i told him that spawntimes in PR are 30 sec + 1 for every death he immidiately responded with "Damn! Im gonna try not to die then!". 2-3 min later he rushed a fortified bunker with guns blazing...Sadist_Cain wrote:take away mobile spawns and put on a 5 min spawn timer, There ya go instant fear
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JaymzAgreed and was thinking about this the other day. Part of the problem is that most people will risk being fully dead as long as they're fully alive.Waaah_Wah wrote:We dont need longer spawntimes, we need more effects when you get shot.
If you get shot at in game... You better duck and cover.