Insurgent Anti Tank Rifle

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-12-11 14:38

Hi.

My suggestion is for an Insurgent anti tank rifle. I'm suggesting this because I believe that the current armory for the insurgents is quite small (personal opinion).

Here are some anti tank rifles and information about them.

PTRD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTRD
PTRS 41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTRS-41

I'm suggesting this weapon as a medium between no RPG and RPG or as a balance for Light - Heavy A.T.

There is plausability that the weapons are in use or in posession by the insurgents in Afhganistan and/or Iraq (no research or citation...my bad).

Usage:-

Less damage than RPG (Surely?)
Armor Damage
Weapon variety
Pick up kit
Insurgent equivalent of L-AT (but less damage)
Commonly fired in prone position - ultra realism

(I think thats right anywya)
Self sustainable anti-tanking (implement with 2 or 3 mags for 10/15 shots)

What do people think?

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-12-11 14:56

It was a single-shot weapon that fired 14.5 x 114 mm tungsten core rounds. Although unable to penetrate the frontal armor of German tanks, it was effective against the thinner sides of early-war German tanks and self-propelled guns. The 14.5 mm armor-piercing bullet had a muzzle velocity of 1012 m/s. It could penetrate an armor plate up to 35 to 40mm thick at a distance of 100 meters. In 1941, most German tanks had side armor thinner than 40mm

May be wrong but if it couldn't penetrate the front armour of WWII tanks I doubt it has much chance of doing any damage to modern armour designed to withstand much more advanced warheads.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-12-11 15:01

it can be used to attack apcs/saxons/landrovers/inf

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-12-11 15:20

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:it can be used to attack apcs/saxons/landrovers/inf

precisely

darkNight · Post by **darkNight** » 2007-12-11 15:25

Don't like this idea cause those weapons are not that effective to be used by insurgents. Better add more RPGs without that stupid aimpoint (ironsights only) and it will be good.

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-12-11 15:32

RPGs were designed to super-cede these. They are also easier to aquire and cheaper. I don't see why they would waste time getting these. It'd just be used for sniping infantry anyway.

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2007-12-11 15:32

Iron sights on the RPG would be good. As for anti tank rifles doing any damage against modern tanks, or even apcs I dont think it can happen, armour is just too thick and too clever these days, the only real effective weapon against lightly armoured vehicles is the barratt.

However being a soviet weapon from the 1940's wldnt be surprised to see them amongst other older weapons in a cache in iraq. and it would be useful to render landrovers/saxons useless

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2007-12-11 15:55

Sadist_Cain wrote:Iron sights on the RPG would be good. As for anti tank rifles doing any damage against modern tanks, or even apcs I dont think it can happen, armour is just too thick and too clever these days, the only real effective weapon against lightly armoured vehicles is the barratt.

However being a soviet weapon from the 1940's wldnt be surprised to see them amongst other older weapons in a cache in iraq. and it would be useful to render landrovers/saxons useless

The Barett

but if you're talking about LIGHTLY armored wehicule... any caliber more powerfull then .50 will pass trougth... like the Barett M109 using 25MM cartridge...

SoldierTech wrote:The centerpiece of the XM-109 system is the 25mm HEDP ammunition it fires. A scaled down derivative of the low velocity 30mm HEDP M789 ammunition fired by the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, the MX-109's 25mm ammunition has been judged to be 2.5 times more effective at destroying targets than a .50 caliber armor-piercing round.

Source

Swe_Olsson · Post by **Swe_Olsson** » 2007-12-11 16:05

just put a armored percing bullet inside a AK 47 and see what happens

Hardtman · Post by **Hardtman** » 2007-12-11 16:43

Although this is a nice idea, I don't think it should be issued to the insurgents. When I think about the equipment of the Insurgents, I think "sponsored by somebody behind the scenes". All these AK's,RPG's and whatnot say to me that somebody with quite a lot of money has been shopping big time in some low-tech black weapons market, with the aim to get the most "bang" for his buck.

For me, it looks more like something for Militia, since they rely more on vintage equipment because apparently they do not have easy access a black market/much money, and as such are forced to use this old weaponry plundered from some old storage or something. It could be the light-AT equivalent for them, would bring some more asymetric balance into it.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-12-11 16:52

Hardtman wrote: For me, it looks more like something for Militia, since they rely more on vintage equipment because apparently they do not have easy access a black market/much money, and as such are forced to use this old weaponry plundered from some old storage or something. It could be the light-AT equivalent for them, would bring some more asymetric balance into it.

A very valid twist.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2007-12-11 20:22

RPGs are rampant in modern conflicts. Even in somalia in the early 90's, with militias attacking US troops left and right, RPGs and AKs were the weapons in use. An anti-armor rifle is just not effective enough to replace the RPG, and most third world soldiers are not going to be equipped with an extremely cumbersome and hard to supply rifle.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » 2007-12-11 22:10

i thought these anti tank rifles died our after world war 2, it would have the same use as the 50cal Barret,the Russians a number counties have plenty of anti material rifles on offer.

ryan d ale · Post by **ryan d ale** » 2007-12-12 00:24

"An anti-armor rifle is just not effective enough to replace the RPG, and most third world soldiers are not going to be equipped with an extremely cumbersome and hard to supply rifle."

I did not state'replace.

"i thought these anti tank rifles died our after world war 2, it would have the same use as the 50cal Barret,the Russians a number counties have plenty of anti material rifles on offer."

Yep they aren't in use by any goverment militaries anymore (I think thats the case). Enfield Number rifle also died out then but I'm sure there's some in use, Mosin Nagant...., AK47 (almost WWII and has been updated)....

Same use as Barret use? NO!
Anti tank rifles used a larger calibre than your modern inferior 50 cal round.

It is larger...but by not much and .50 isn't really inferior

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2007-12-12 01:08

Eh, noble idea but this thing would just turn into an infantry sniper rifle, especially the semi auto one. I think it would be best if this thing had like 5 shots or a really poor scope, but my personal favorite is the RPG-29 that the Russian community mod is developing.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-12 06:27

Hardtman wrote:Although this is a nice idea, I don't think it should be issued to the insurgents. When I think about the equipment of the Insurgents, I think "sponsored by somebody behind the scenes". All these AK's,RPG's and whatnot say to me that somebody with quite a lot of money has been shopping big time in some low-tech black weapons market, with the aim to get the most "bang" for his buck.

For me, it looks more like something for Militia, since they rely more on vintage equipment because apparently they do not have easy access a black market/much money, and as such are forced to use this old weaponry plundered from some old storage or something. It could be the light-AT equivalent for them, would bring some more asymetric balance into it.

I believe the Militia on Mestia are in fact black market weapon dealers. See loading screen for more details.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-12-12 19:56

nedlands1 wrote:I believe the Militia on Mestia are in fact black market weapon dealers. See loading screen for more details.

They also seem have sold all their weapons designed after 1963, with the sole exception of their single EYRX

Post by **Falkun** » 2007-12-12 20:04

[R-MOD]Bob_Marley wrote:They also seem have sold all their weapons designed after 1963, with the sole exception of their single EYRX

They had too much vodka in their systems when they were selling equipment.

The_Blitzcraig · Post by **The_Blitzcraig** » 2007-12-12 20:18

The best use someone could get out of a PTRD against modern armor would be to shoot out the tank optics, but it probly isnt possible to implement that due to engine limitations.I also recall a Challenger II's optics being shot out by a PTRD somewhere in Iraq a couple years ago.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2007-12-12 20:41

The_Blitzcraig wrote:The best use someone could get out of a PTRD against modern armor would be to shoot out the tank optics, but it probly isnt possible to implement that due to engine limitations.I also recall a Challenger II's optics being shot out by a PTRD somewhere in Iraq a couple years ago.

Do you ahve any info on this or proof? if so can you post a link? 1. id be intrested and 2. If your not telling a porkie