Ah, a shameBloodBane611 wrote:That would be pretty neat Masaq, but I'm not suer that it is possible. It is my understanding that the kits are classified together in such a way that this would be impossible. I'm still pretty low on the experience scale with the BF editor, but I'm pretty sure thats how it works.
I think you are on the right path as well Db. You have put a lot into this and I for one really appreciate you trying so hard to get this right. We know it's still doesn't perfectly reflect realistic rifle accuracy, but it will be a lot closer to reality than it was in .613. Quite a bit closer to reality than before actually. I like what you've done with the recoil so far as well.[R-DEV]dbzao wrote:The values we defined in 0.7 were guesses based on projectile size using the 556 rifle as the starting point. We got very close to the values Jonny calculated. I think we are going the right path here.
Primary recoil(not the largest)Jonny wrote:I dont really get what you mean.
Each L85 must have the same paramters, scoped or not its the same gun. But if you mean randomised recoil values for each spawn then I dont think that is possible. We can have it randomised between shots, but each rifle acts the same. This is not a good thing to do either, the rifles fire the same mass at the same velocity so why would the recoil be different. Also, it is a diferent rifle but it acts the same as your other that you just dropped, the sights should be off slightly but the recoil is exactly the same to you.
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@ VipersGhost:
different guns shoot the same bullet at different velocities because of barrel length. Any model that fails to take this into account is not good enough. Neither is guessing by the size of the cartridge. Thanks for letting us know what your experience shooting the different rounds has shown you, though.
@ Sabre_tooth_tigger:
The damage is related to a power of m^2*V^3, so mass and velocity are taken into account, velocity is more important than mass and the values are in a suitable range for the engine to deal with. There is compelling evidence for this somewhere on the internet, that product gives a number which is related to the size of game it is suited to hunting so must be related to its deadliness. The only problem is that all the results are not in appropriate ranges for the engine, hence the power to get them around the 15-50 ish area for most weapons in game.
This primary recoil is noticeable, but not the main recoil that one feels. It seems like you are only factoring for conservation of momentum on the round where in fact there are two distinct recoils from a firearm. The first, primary recoil, which is the conserved momentum of the gun-bullet system. However, a larger secondary recoil comes slightly later, when the bullet leaves the muzzle: then the hot expanding gas behind the bullet shoots out of the muzzle, and the muzzle recoils further like a rocket. This is, again, conservation of momentum, but in this case is is the gas momentum out of the barrel that makes the secondary recoil.A Winchester .308 cartridge launches a bullet of mass 150 grains (1 grain = 64.8 mg) with a speed of 2820 ft/s (1 ft = 30.5 cm). In MKS units, then, pb = 8.4 kg m/s. This rifle has a weight of about 8 lbs, or a mass of mg = 3.8 kg. That means the recoil speed of the rifle will be
vg = - pb/mg = -2.2 m/s
What I was getting at was that instead of having a single weapon, say the L85, you would have the L85-1, L85-2, L85-3, etc. Each version would have slightly different recoil values. Each would then be assigned to a different kit in the GB kit setup, so that each kit setup would have a rifle that behaved ever so slightly differently. Obviously, each one appears to be an identical weapon, but with slightly different recoil values.Jonny wrote:I dont really get what you mean.
Each L85 must have the same paramters, scoped or not its the same gun. But if you mean randomised recoil values for each spawn then I dont think that is possible. We can have it randomised between shots, but each rifle acts the same. This is not a good thing to do either, the rifles fire the same mass at the same velocity so why would the recoil be different. Also, it is a diferent rifle but it acts the same as your other that you just dropped, the sights should be off slightly but the recoil is exactly the same to you.
Another factor you forgot to take into account is how much gas is used to re-**** the weapon, this has quite a reasonable sized effect on a weapons velocity. An example of this:Jonny wrote: different guns shoot the same bullet at different velocities because of barrel length
So you don't make it less - recoil has (I think) something like 3 factors - the amount it pushes the gun up, the amount it pushes the gun left, and the amount it pushes the gun right, I believe?Hail_831 wrote:then people would play one class over the other because the recoil is less on "..." even if they have the same gun. Cool idea put people will not like it.
If you look at the chuckhawks formula they do take in muzzle velocity for their recoil model. And I wasn't guessing via the cartridge size obviously as I said "not that its a big deal..." but just used it to reinforce my point that there is a DRASTIC difference between a 5.56 and 7.62 NATO. Then I gave you my first hand experience with it being far more than double the recoil. Then we looked at some videos with it demonstrating more than double the recoil. The barrel rise, which is really all that matters in PR, is more than twice what it is for the 7.62 in the slow-mo video than what it is for the 5.56. Sure there will always be other factors at work here, but it still stands that the 7.62 rnd is much greater.Jonny wrote: different guns shoot the same bullet at different velocities because of barrel length. Any model that fails to take this into account is not good enough. Neither is guessing by the size of the cartridge. Thanks for letting us know what your experience shooting the different rounds has shown you, though.
Like I said: YES, I KNOW recoil is user-based and not weapon-based in real life, I'm talking about in-game. In-game, more-or-less accurate recoil and deviation values have led us to 0.613, where you can hornshot a unicorn at 400m.Jonny wrote:No, you dont, its the same as it was before.
The difference is between people, not the rifle.
Unfortunately this cant be implimented as recoil values are based off the rifle, not the person.
