Claymores

Post by **Spec** » 2007-12-27 04:19

Oh, i remember this map. It had a great feeling sometimes, indeed.

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 04:21

jwgarris wrote:The Claymores from (what was it .5??) were perfect... and underused. Oh man I had some good times on that Jungle Map, USMC vs PLC... the one that got removed for being "too arcadey" jerks. That was my favorite map. The most realistic Jungle Warfare Map that trumped, EOD, and BF:V. I remember just sitting in the thick waiting for someone unlucky enough to cross the trail where my claymores were.

I vote to Bring Back the .5 Claymores.

I imagine that map got removed because no matter how sneaky you were, crawling through the grass - You were as clear as day from the top of the hills due to the grass not appearing beyond like 100m!

Post by **M.J.Patterson** » 2007-12-27 04:27

Heskey wrote:I like Claymores.
I like Claymores being proximity based.

I DON'T like being killed by claymores at the tops of ladders.
I DON'T like the majority of my deaths being the results of claymores.

I like claymores; but I do not want them in PR

I like Heskey's opinion.

except the proximity based trigger.

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 04:28

Heskey wrote:I imagine that map got removed because no matter how sneaky you were, crawling through the grass - You were as clear as day from the top of the hills due to the grass not appearing beyond like 100m!

Actually the map was well designed and that was not a problem at all. Even on my machine and my machine does not even meet minimum requirements ;P

I remember hearing alot of complaints that the map was "Too Aracadey". It was truely a great map, and alot of work went into it. Whoever the creator was probably was a lil ticked about the descion to yank it. As was I. What the hell was its name....

The rule of the map was if you don't move... you were not seen. I remember Shooting guys that would be crawling up to you in bayonet distance.

I would love to see that map make a comeback with Claymores. Maybe even a remix of the map as a Night Map.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-12-27 04:31

BloodBane611 wrote:Claymores would be good addition, but they would just be too overbalanced. A squad setting up a defensive perimeter around a flag would be realistic, but 7 gates at the citadel would be frickin nuts. So in the interests of balance, please no claymores.

I would love to pull ambushes and set up perimeters with claymores, but just the few instances, like citadel as wall as mine on Qwai, make it overkill. Those are unfortunately two of the maps where they would be most useful.

you know , not every map should ahve the same kit layout .

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 04:31

And just for FYI. I think the majority of the thread for the Claymores... is for the .5 Claymores not the DICE Claymores.

If you have not played .5 and seen the old claymores in action you cannot even compare them to DICE.

PR's claymores were not Proximity like Dice but used a Clacker as in real life.
Had a realistic Kill zone instead and packed a huge punch.

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 04:36

jwgarris wrote:Actually the map was well designed and that was not a problem at all. Even on my machine and my machine does not even meet minimum requirements ;P

You what mate?

If you're hiding in a corn-field in ANY map, the enemy can see you plain as day because the grass disappears beyond like 100m - Same went for Hills of Hamyong; if you were on the hills and looked down at all the little squads trying to hide in the grass, you didn't see the grass - You just saw lots of men, all blobbed together within your iron-sight, prone on the floor.

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 04:42

Heskey wrote:You what mate?

If you're hiding in a corn-field in ANY map, the enemy can see you plain as day because the grass disappears beyond like 100m - Same went for Hills of Hamyong; if you were on the hills and looked down at all the little squads trying to hide in the grass, you didn't see the grass - You just saw lots of men, all blobbed together within your iron-sight, prone on the floor.

Like I said this map was well designed, and there were no open spaces for 100m. The Map was designed around Valleys and Hilltops. Hilltops could not really look down on the valley due to the Trees, In the valleys you could not see for 100ms because of the winding trails, trees, altering elevations. The map was designed around the Crappy BF2 engine and worked well. If you haven't played the map then you cannot imagine how beautiful the map was.

This is partly why I think it was Labled Arcadey... due to the fact that it was CQB fighting, no medium to long distance engagements. I would like to see it come back as a Night Map

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 04:47

Sorry JWG but I think you're not understanding my point about that map.

If you were elevated above the grass, you could see the enemy miles away despite the rather sparse trees, and shoot them whilst they couldn't see you because THEY could see the grass 1cm infront of their faces.

It was just a murder fest from above.

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 04:54

Getting offtopic now. Guess you just had to play the map to know what I am talking about.

Back to Claymores. I think there were some good ideas about the limited Kits. But which one do you put them in?

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 05:02

jwgarris wrote:Getting offtopic now. Guess you just had to play the map to know what I am talking about.

I did play the map, a lot - How the hell would I be talking about a map I'd never played?

jwgarris wrote:Back to Claymores. I think there were some good ideas about the limited Kits. But which one do you put them in?

I'd probably chuck detonator-triggered claymores in with... I don't actually know.

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 06:21

Yea I remember the AP rifleman...

I like the idea of a Scout Limited Class.

Kabar
M16A4
Marking Smoke
Trip Flares
Claymores
SOFLAM

Post by **Nickbond592** » 2007-12-27 12:37

Mao valley ?

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2007-12-27 12:43

Nickbond592 wrote:Mao valley ?

THAT'S THE ONE.

beef_beef · Post by **beef_beef** » 2007-12-27 17:52

I think engineers should get remote det claymores instead of at mines on maps where there arnt many vehicules.

Post by **Nickbond592** » 2007-12-27 19:02

it was posted in another thread that there is no room left in the engineer class to hold these weapons.

Post by **Spec** » 2007-12-27 19:08

Thats why he said "instead"

But still, if every engineer would get them, it would be spam again - for a limited class it would be fine.

jwgarris · Post by **jwgarris** » 2007-12-27 19:52

Spec_Operator wrote:Thats why he said "instead"

But still, if every engineer would get them, it would be spam again - for a limited class it would be fine.

You would think that... but if History has a way of repeating itself... and it usually does. They will be underused like in version .5 Someone said it before, most people don't have the patience to wait in the ambush position.