7.62 Minigun or pea shooter?Why so weak?

Post by **Nickbond592** » 2007-12-28 12:26

good point ^

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-28 12:42

Viper5 wrote:Nedlands, how practical would it be to set the RPM to 1000 and have a 4 round shotgun effect with very little spread? Would basically be 4,000 RPM

As per FAS, the M134 operates at 2,000 or 4,000 RPM.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/m134.htm

Not very practical or even possible I'm afraid. The ROF must be a integral factor of 1800. This means values of: 1800, 900, 600, 450, 360, 300, 225, 200, 180, 150, 120, 100 etc. 1000 isn't one of those values and anyway having it at the maximum value (aka 1800) with a batch size of 2, makes it have a more even distribution when strafing(as opposed to clumps of rounds). Currently I have made the spread with the deviation modifier that the shotgun uses to spread its buckshot.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-28 12:47

Epim3theus wrote:Yes, i thought the effectivines of the miniguns on the Blackhawks was tuned down to simulate 240's by the Devs, because lack of time to make the actual guns. I think i've read that in a previous thread about those miniguns.
You see miniguns, but they are 240's, that sums it up.

Well then, it that's the case, they suck pretty hard at setting the correct rate of fire

. Wikipedia tells me that the ROF of the 240 is 650–950 rounds/min. The ROF for the "240's" on the Blackhawk is 1800. I am also pretty sure that there isn't any HE rounds in the 7.62 mm caliber either in common usage.

Epim3theus · Post by **Epim3theus** » 2007-12-28 13:15

Rof in game or irl. They tuned down the killing power of the minigun in game down to simulate a rof of the MAG or 240 whatever. So maybe they the minigun still has a rof of 1800 it does the damage of a MAG with a rof of whatever you say it is. That's why it's a pea shooter. Just like the guns on the Chinese chopper.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-28 13:21

Epim3theus wrote:Rof in game or irl. They tuned down the killing power of the minigun in game down to simulate a rof of the MAG or 240 whatever. So maybe they the minigun still has a rof of 1800 it does the damage of a MAG with a rof of whatever you say it is. That's why it's a pea shooter. Just like the guns on the Chinese chopper.

I don't deny that it is a peashooter. The IRL ROF is nowhere near the IG ROF which leads me to believe that it is not a "simulated" M240. If it was then the Dev's would have put it a little lower.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 13:28

nedlands1 wrote:Well then, it that's the case, they suck pretty hard at setting the correct rate of fire . Wikipedia tells me that the ROF of the 240 is 650–950 rounds/min. The ROF for the "240's" on the Blackhawk is 1800. I am also pretty sure that there isn't any HE rounds in the 7.62 mm caliber either in common usage.

Heh, you'd be surprised. Not positive on it but I think the minigun has some kind of HE rounds. Have to call John.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 13:30

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Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 13:32

Viper5 wrote:No, most are armed with M240s. If you saw a BHawk w/ Minigun at Ft. Campbell,you probably weren't seeing a 101st Blackhawk

Ft. Campbell Garrison:
101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
5th Special Forces Group
160th SOAR

Did you actually read what you quoted? Also, didn't you say you were 15 in the other thread, yet now you say you're in the SF Group of the 101st.....

And yes it was the 101st, they mounted them to train their gunners that day. I was up there for heavy weapons training.

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2007-12-28 13:35

Soulja wrote: Didn't you just put in the other thread that you're 15? Yet you now say you're in the SF group of the 101st......

WTF? He did not say he was in a SF group. Also, it's BF2, it's a game. There should be balance as well. Since it's not the SF of the USA ingame the minigun shouldn't be that good as in real life. Have patience and one day you will see lovely M240s in that window where you first saw that minigun..

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 13:43

brummy.uk wrote:WTF? He did not say he was in a SF group. Also, it's BF2, it's a game. There should be balance as well. Since it's not the SF of the USA ingame the minigun shouldn't be that good as in real life. Have patience and one day you will see lovely M240s in that window where you first saw that minigun..

I don't get it though. He said something about 240s on blackhawks after giving that. There was no link so i just assumed he was there or something.

Also, another thing is you guys do not get that the minigun is equipped when it is needed to provide support for the troops being dropped off, and so far, the USMC in PR need the support, so it is somewhat realistic. The reason you keep pointing out pictures of Iraq and Afghanistan with M240s is that they wont equip the minigun on those helicopters because they are expensive to shoot. Why give a 20 year old trigger happy gunner a minigun when you can give him a 240 he can get the job done with (in reality) and it costs a ton less to shoot. Wait till we get into it with Iran, get some pics of the Marines' 1st landing. Bet they have miniguns.

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2007-12-28 13:46

You said that you saw Blackhawks with miniguns at Campbell. He was referring to his earlier post that BHs with Miniguns are mainly used by the 160th SOAR. The 160th SOAR is based at Campbell.. So, he was trying to say that the Blackhawks you saw were belonging to the SOAR.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 13:51

brummy.uk wrote:You said that you saw Blackhawks with miniguns at Campbell. He was referring to his earlier post that BHs with Miniguns are mainly used by the 160th SOAR. The 160th SOAR is based at Campbell.. So, he was trying to say that the Blackhawks you saw were belonging to the SOAR.

Ahhh, ok, I'm a Redneck they handed a wrench, bit slow sometimes.

On another note, they're very high maintenance guns so that's another reason you might not see them.

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-12-28 14:11

Soulja wrote:Ahhh, ok, I'm a Redneck they handed a wrench, bit slow sometimes.

On another note, they're very high maintenance guns so that's another reason you might not see them.

No shit Sherlock.... Reading through this thread you basically say the exact same thing as Viper5: Miniguns are not used as frequent as many people like to believe.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 14:30

Gyberg wrote:No shit Sherlock.... Reading through this thread you basically say the exact same thing as Viper5: Miniguns are not used as frequent as many people like to believe.

No, Viper says they aren't used, that they're all Hollywood. What I say is they're only equipped when needed.

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-12-28 14:33

Viper5 wrote:Are you serious? The US Army uses miniguns on almost exclusively 160th SOAR Helos. The vast majority of US helos use the M240 (US Designation for FN MAG. M240 and the GPMG are both derived from the MAG.)

No he did not say that please read the quote above.
You bash him for not giving any good sources, Im still waiting for yours.

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 14:46

Gyberg wrote:No he did not say that please read the quote above.
You bash him for not giving any good sources, Im still waiting for yours.

Tennessee Army National Guard
386th Combat Engineer Battalion

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-12-28 14:49

And yet you use BHD as a reference in your original post?

Soulja wrote:Now remember, the XM134 "Minigun" which is what is mounted on the blackhawks have a real life rate of fire of over 6,000 rounds per minute and fire 7.62x51mm NATO rounds, this thing disintegrates people (Read Black Hawk Down).

Thats like asking to not be taken seriously....

Soulja · Post by **Soulja** » 2007-12-28 14:53

Gyberg wrote:And yet you use BHD as a reference in your original post?

Thats like asking to not be taken seriously....

The book, not the movie, the book was written by one of the soldiers there and in one part he talks about what the miniguns do to people. The movie is based on that but very Hollywood. Most definitely not the same thing.

Swe_Olsson · Post by **Swe_Olsson** » 2007-12-28 15:19

just mount a dual 40mm Automatic grenade launcher and you have the solution to all your problems

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-28 15:21

Swe_Olsson wrote:just mount a dual 40mm Automatic grenade launcher and you have the solution to all your problems

Excellent idea

. I can use the M203's HE grenade as the projectile and just tweak it a bit.