wepon class idea

[Martini]

Maybe rename the spec-ops kit something else, but I like the loadout, of course I'm sure I will forget about that when I see all the cool new stuff you guys bring into the mod

[Raptor]

People's Liberation Army (China):

Designated Marksman - Type-79 ; Type-88
Rifleman - QBZ-95 (URG-N Grenades) ; CAR-95 (Type-69 RPG)
Grenadier - Type-87 (GP-30) ; Type-81 (Type-90 60mm Mortar)
Medic - Type-87
Automatic Rifleman - Type-81 SAW ; QBZ-95 SAW
Combat Engineer - Type-64 SMG ; Type-79 SMG
Anti-Tank - PF-97 (x3) ; FHJ-84 (x1)
DaDui - Type-03 ; JS-SMG (Suppressed)
Air Crew - QSZ-92 - Only Class that can Pilot/Gun in Aircraft
Armor Crew - JS-SMG - Only Class that can Drive/Gun in Tanks/APCs

Middle Eastern Coalition Armed Forces:

Designated Marksman - Dragnov SVD ; SV-98
Rifleman - AKM (URG-N Grenades) ; AKS-74 (RPG-7)
Grenadier - AK-74M (GP-30) ; AK-102 (60mm Mortar)
Medic - AK-47
Automatic Rifleman - RPK-74 ; PKM
Combat Engineer - PP-19 Bizon ; Saiga 12
Anti-Tank - RPG-29 (x3) ; ERYX (x2)
MEC-SOF - AKS-74U (Suppressed) ; SR-2M SMG
Air Crew - - OTs-27 Only Class that can Pilot/Gun in Aircraft
Armor Crew - OTs-02 SMG - Only Class that can Drive/Gun in Tanks/APCs

Some of those weapons were hard as shit to find.... but these are my ideas for the classes/weapons for all three of the Armed Forces.

[Xeno426]

I don't mean to be overly critical of your work, but I do have some thoughts on your suggestions I'd like to point out.

People's Liberation Army (China):

Designated Marksman - Type-79 ; Type-88

The Type 88 Marksman rifle is also known as the QBU-88. This probably wouldn't make much of a difference, unless the QJY-88 was added.

Rifleman - QBZ-95 (URG-N Grenades) ; CAR-95 (PF-89 LAW)
Grenadier - Type-87 (GP-30) ; Type-81 (Type-90 60mm Mortar)

The QBZ-95 can mount the M203, or the Chinese copy of it. Sadly, I do not know what the designation for the Chinese copy is.

Medic - Type-87

Do you mean the Type 86S? The Type 87 was just a Type 81 modified to test the new 5.8mm round that the QBZ-95 would be using, and isn't really a production weapon. Besides, I would argue that since the Type 81 is more common than the Type 86S anyway that it would be used.

Automatic Rifleman - Type-81 SAW ; QBZ-95 SAW

The Type 95 SAW is also known as the QBB-95. Also, what about the QJY-88?

Combat Engineer - Type-64 SMG ; Type-79 SMG

You might want to add the Omega SPS to that list. And why not the more improved Type-85 SMG? Besides, it's already ingame.

Anti-Tank - PF-97 (x3) ; FHJ-84 (x1)

The FHJ-84 seems to be made with anti-infantry combat more in mind, similar to how many insurgence groups use the RPG-7. Also, the HJ-73 is still used by infantry and air units because of its small size. While it is indeed a copy of the very old AT-3 Sagger, it has been constantly upgraded and still remains in high numbers throughout the PLA.

DaDui - Type-03 ; JS-SMG (Suppressed)

The Type 03 is a full-sized assault rifle, generally not what an SF squad wants. They would probably go for something more compact, like the CAR-95.

Middle Eastern Coalition Armed Forces:

Designated Marksman - Dragnov SVD ; SV-98
Rifleman - AKM (URG-N Grenades) ; AKS-74 (RPG-7)

I would find it unlikely that the people in the middle east would discard the 7.62x39mm round, which they have in droves over there, for the smaller 5.45x39mm round. They would probably use as many weapons that would allow them to keep using the 7.62 round, and so instead of the AKS-74U, they would probably use the AKSMU.

Grenadier - AK-74M (GP-30) ; AK-102 (60mm Mortar)

Same as above. Instead of the AK-74, the AKM. Instead of AK-102, which uses a NATO round, they would probably use the AK-103 or AK-104.

Medic - AK-47
Automatic Rifleman - RPK-74 ; PKM

As above, instead of the RPK-74, the older RPK, or even the RPD (unlikely, though). The PKM is a platoon-level weapon, and so there shouldn't be many of them on a map. Best kept as something like a pick-up kit.

Combat Engineer - PP-19 Bizon ; Saiga 12
Anti-Tank - RPG-29 (x3) ; ERYX (x2)

Damn French, selling their military equipment to anyone with money. They really need to learn some discrimination. Besides the Eryx, why not something like the AT-7? That is also man-portable unit.

MEC-SOF - AKS-74U (Suppressed) ; SR-2M SMG
Air Crew - - OTs-27 Only Class that can Pilot/Gun in Aircraft
Armor Crew - OTs-02 SMG - Only Class that can Drive/Gun in Tanks/APCs

I could also see armor crews using something like the Skorpion.

[worst 3]

in reality spec ops usualy changes there kit based on there mision. but most of the times they will use larger more acuret guns then that of normal units. makeing sure they get the kill insted of massive amout of fire to over power the opsition. not to say the would not use suppresd wepons or lower cal wepons. i would use the unlockable wepons as a second wepon class oppen to all with a diffrent lower cal like them m4 used now and the main a high cal (probley 7.62) wepon. what i dont know becuse im not some one who know what is used most of the time for sure becuse im not in the army. i just watch to much military stuf on tv and i remberd them talking about them useing more powerfull guns. (some even use the m14 but i most use a full auto i would think.)

[Raptor]

I don't mean to be overly critical of your work, but I do have some thoughts on your suggestions I'd like to point out.

The Type 88 Marksman rifle is also known as the QBU-88. This probably wouldn't make much of a difference, unless the QJY-88 was added.

Yeah, I know its known as both, and I figured calling it the Type 88 would bring up the most searches if someone wanted to find out about it.

The QBZ-95 can mount the M203, or the Chinese copy of it. Sadly, I do not know what the designation for the Chinese copy is.

Right, which is why I just put the GP-30, as finding out alot of information about Chinese weaponry is quite difficult.

Do you mean the Type 86S? The Type 87 was just a Type 81 modified to test the new 5.8mm round that the QBZ-95 would be using, and isn't really a production weapon. Besides, I would argue that since the Type 81 is more common than the Type 86S anyway that it would be used.

Right the Type 86, would be a good gun, but I figured either the Type 87 or the Type 81 because both are full rifles instead of bullpup rifles and thus would help even it out some between all the teams.

The Type 95 SAW is also known as the QBB-95. Also, what about the QJY-88?

Yeah most of the Type whatever rifles/LMGs have another name form, but I just put the more common "Type" form for easier searches. And both the QBB-95 and the QJY-88 would be good LMGs, but figured the Type 95 (QBB-95) was a better choice because it was newer.

You might want to add the Omega SPS to that list. And why not the more improved Type-85 SMG? Besides, it's already ingame.

Actually thank you for suggesting the Omega SPS-12, at the time I couldn't find any Chinese shotguns. The Type-85 SMG would work as well, I had it there and than I think I changed it because I was going to give the Spec Ops it until I found the JS SMG

The FHJ-84 seems to be made with anti-infantry combat more in mind, similar to how many insurgence groups use the RPG-7. Also, the HJ-73 is still used by infantry and air units because of its small size. While it is indeed a copy of the very old AT-3 Sagger, it has been constantly upgraded and still remains in high numbers throughout the PLA.

I also just found the PF-89, which is a Chinese copy of the M136 AT4. At the time, all I could find information of for recent Chinese Anti-Tank weapons was the FHJ-84 and the PF-97.

The Type 03 is a full-sized assault rifle, generally not what an SF squad wants. They would probably go for something more compact, like the CAR-95.

Both the CAR-95 and the Type-95 rifles would be good choice, but with the Type 03 having a folding butt stock, it would still be a decent sized rifle to carry around (plus SOF units are known to carry all sorts of shit into combat) and it would also just throw in a different looking weapon.

I would find it unlikely that the people in the middle east would discard the 7.62x39mm round, which they have in droves over there, for the smaller 5.45x39mm round. They would probably use as many weapons that would allow them to keep using the 7.62 round, and so instead of the AKS-74U, they would probably use the AKSMU.

Actually, I totally agree with you on that, but I didn't want people to ***** about how they were using older weaponry (even though all these are widely used in the Middle East).

Same as above. Instead of the AK-74, the AKM. Instead of AK-102, which uses a NATO round, they would probably use the AK-103 or AK-104.

Only reason I put the Ak-102 is because the Ak-102 is Russia's export model of the Ak-103/4/5 series. It would make more sense for them to have an export model rather than a verison of the series that is not widely avaliable to other countries/nations.

As above, instead of the RPK-74, the older RPK, or even the RPD (unlikely, though). The PKM is a platoon-level weapon, and so there shouldn't be many of them on a map. Best kept as something like a pick-up kit.

Well the RPD or the RPK-74 would be good choices, maybe if the devs had a mix of the different AK variants (to give a good mix between calibres). The PKM is defiantly a platoon-level weapon, but so would the M240G, maybe tere will be a way for the PR devs to limit the amount of players that could play as that class, or like you suggested making it a pick-up kit.

Damn French, selling their military equipment to anyone with money. They really need to learn some discrimination. Besides the Eryx, why not something like the AT-7? That is also man-portable unit.

The AT-7 is an okay replacement for the Eryx, but its also quiet a bit larger than the Eryx, so all in all its what everyone (mostly the devs) think is better.

I could also see armor crews using something like the Skorpion.

The OTs-02 is pretty much the Russian Skorpion (as the Skorpion vz 61 is a Czech Republic made weapon). It doesn't really matter which the put it, but the vz 61 would probably be a better weapon, as its more commonly used.

And thanks for your critism, it actually helped me correct some of my mistakes (at the time of writing that list, I had been up for over 48hours because of insomnia.)

[Rifleman]

The OTs-02 is pretty much the Russian Skorpion (as the Skorpion vz 61 is a Czech Republic made weapon). It doesn't really matter which the put it, but the vz 61 would probably be a better weapon, as its more commonly used.

Skorpion is good looking gun... thou has big recoil and is not very accurate...
Great discussion guys ! I hope some of ur ideas find their place in one of the next PR rels

[Raptor]

Skorpion is good looking gun... thou has big recoil and is not very accurate...
Great discussion guys ! I hope some of ur ideas find their place in one of the next PR rels

Actually it depends which model of the Skorpion they use the vz 61 has a 7.62mm but I think the vz 81 fires a 9mm. All in all, its not really a big deal, as that class wouldn't be meant for heavy infantry fighting, just be able to protect himself from infantry while trying to get back to base to get another armored vehicle.

[Xeno426]

Yeah most of the Type whatever rifles/LMGs have another name form, but I just put the more common "Type" form for easier searches. And both the QBB-95 and the QJY-88 would be good LMGs, but figured the Type 95 (QBB-95) was a better choice because it was newer.

From what I've read, the QJY-88 is actually pretty new. It's China's new platoon-level GPMG, replacing the older Type 67 GPMG. Like the QBZ-95 series, it fires the 5.8x42mm round. I'd place it in the same category as the PKM or M240G.

Right, which is why I just put the GP-30, as finding out alot of information about Chinese weaponry is quite difficult.

Good god, is it ever. You'd almost think they didn't want people to know a whole lot about their weaponry.

Actually thank you for suggesting the Omega SPS-12

Yea, it's amazingly difficult to find info on that gun. Lukily, it can be purchased by civvies, so hopefully there's someone that's either fired or owns one.

Only reason I put the Ak-102 is because the Ak-102 is Russia's export model of the Ak-103/4/5 series. It would make more sense for them to have an export model rather than a verison of the series that is not widely avaliable to other countries/nations.

I think the whole AK-10x series are export guns, their differences being in calibre and size. The compact versions are the AK-102, AK-104 and AK-105. The AK-101 and AK-103 firing NATO and AK-47 rounds, and the AK-107 and AK-108 being updated guns with 'balanced' gas driven engines that reduce muzzle climb.

The AT-7 is an okay replacement for the Eryx, but its also quiet a bit larger than the Eryx, so all in all its what everyone (mostly the devs) think is better.

Yea, it seems the Russians never developed a very compact guided AT missile. I guess they figured that gap would be covered by guys with RPG's. Kinda makes sense, really. Heck, AT-3 teams would carry several RPG-7's for just such encounters, since the original AT-3 had a minimum range of almost 500 meters. :/

And thanks for your critism, it actually helped me correct some of my mistakes (at the time of writing that list, I had been up for over 48hours because of insomnia.)

Good god, man! Get some sleep! I'm surprised you haven't started slurring your sentences together!

Skorpion is good looking gun... thou has big recoil and is not very accurate...

Not too surprising. The gun is more a machine pistol that an SMG. Great little bit of engineering, though.

Actually it depends which model of the Skorpion they use the vz 61 has a 7.62mm

Not quite the 7.62, but 7.65x17mm, or .32 ACP. Funny that what was then a Communist state under the wing of the Soviet Union would develop a gun based on an American round. None, to my knowlege, fire the 9x19mm Para round, though there are two versions that fire the 9x18mm Makarov round and another that fires the 9x17mm .380 ACP round (yet another American round, too). Crazy Czechs.
Not to sound too nitpicky there, but lots of people can get confused by rounds when just the first measurement is used. Heck, the 7.62 measurement is used by the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Rem) round, the 7.62x39mm Soviet (AK-47), the 7.62x54mmR Soviet (PKM, SVD, Mosin-Nagat), and the 7.62x25mm TT Tokarev (PPSch-41, PP-19, PPS-43). In the 9mm category, you have the classic 9x19mm Para/Luger round, the 9x18mm PM Makarov round, the newer 9x18mm PMM Makarov High-Impulse round, and the old 9x17mm (.380 ACP) round. That's a lot of measurements to keep track of, and they all have quite different balistic characteristics. And in case you are wondering, yes, I have too much free time. Pretty much being unemployed does that to you.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

Sorry a little off topic but how come there are often no servers, why and at what time (GMT) will i find soem becasue i really cant wait to saturday and i want to play now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

WIll delete this post when aswered!

[Raptor]

Not quite the 7.62, but 7.65x17mm, or .32 ACP. Funny that what was then a Communist state under the wing of the Soviet Union would develop a gun based on an American round. None, to my knowlege, fire the 9x19mm Para round, though there are two versions that fire the 9x18mm Makarov round and another that fires the 9x17mm .380 ACP round (yet another American round, too). Crazy Czechs.
Not to sound too nitpicky there, but lots of people can get confused by rounds when just the first measurement is used. Heck, the 7.62 measurement is used by the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Rem) round, the 7.62x39mm Soviet (AK-47), the 7.62x54mmR Soviet (PKM, SVD, Mosin-Nagat), and the 7.62x25mm TT Tokarev (PPSch-41, PP-19, PPS-43). In the 9mm category, you have the classic 9x19mm Para/Luger round, the 9x18mm PM Makarov round, the newer 9x18mm PMM Makarov High-Impulse round, and the old 9x17mm (.380 ACP) round. That's a lot of measurements to keep track of, and they all have quite different balistic characteristics. And in case you are wondering, yes, I have too much free time. Pretty much being unemployed does that to you.

Yeah I know its the 7.65x17mm guess I was so used to typing in 7.62 that I did. They probably developed it off of an American round because at the time, the cold war was going on so I'm guessing it was developed so finding ammo wouldn't be extremely difficult, or it could just be because the Czechs were crazy .

Oh and I have far to much free time as well, being a senior in high school with only three classes (so I only go to school every other day because of our block schedule, and only until lunch), and being in the middle of nowhere Northern Japan on a base with absolutly nothing to do. But you are right I'll start putting in the 7.62x51mm, 7.62x54mm, etc when I'm talking about the different calibres of weapons, just so no one gets confused.

But atleast I finally got some sleep last night