Fire bases on top of hotel, Al-Basrah

senator55 · Post by **senator55** » 2008-01-07 15:56

Okay it seems a bit stupid for a game that wants to be as real as poss, that the british teams can set up a fire base on top of the hotel and basicly one squad can keep the insurg,s at bay with a couple of snipers and medics they can sit up there all fu#@ing day.

ONE WORD STUPID

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-01-07 16:02

Anyone sufficiently motivated could build one of those up ontop of a building IRL. Don't see the problem.

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-07 16:04

ironically enough i had the pleasure of seeing this last night, lol, it was great, but the commander asked the insurgents to blow it up in the end... not sure why...

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » 2008-01-07 16:07

senator55 wrote:Okay it seems a bit stupid for a game that wants to be as real as poss, that the british teams can set up a fire base on top of the hotel and basicly one squad can keep the insurg,s at bay with a couple of snipers and medics they can sit up there all fu#@ing day.

ONE WORD STUPID

Here's another word: BELFAST

and it looks like the commander asking you to remove it at the end of the game is realistic too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4738029.stm

You will also notice that high vantage point OVERT OPs and firebases are quite common for both US and British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan (well, hilltops anyway for Afghan).

Safekeeper · Post by **Safekeeper** » 2008-01-07 16:28

Okay it seems a bit stupid for a game that wants to be as real as poss, that the british teams can set up a fire base on top of the hotel and basicly one squad can keep the insurg,s at bay with a couple of snipers and medics they can sit up there all fu#@ing day.

What's so stupid and impossible about someone dragging sandbags to the top of a building, for then to use it as a vantage point?

ONE WORD STUPID

I appreciate your constructive post.

[uBp]Irish · Post by **[uBp]Irish** » 2008-01-07 16:30

sounds like pure genius. If Insurgents are stupid enough to allow it to happen, i dont see why it's such a big problem.

does the old VCP have a timed RP? or is it just an uncap without a spawn.

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-01-07 16:30

Expendable Grunt wrote:Anyone sufficiently motivated could build one of those up ontop of a building IRL. Don't see the problem.

I think the problem is that he got shot more than a little by the guys at the top, by the sound of it.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2008-01-07 16:38

Safekeeper wrote:What's so stupid and impossible about someone dragging sandbags to the top of a building, for then to use it as a vantage point?

coz they can spawn on it , and IRL that dont happend , isnt a firebase sopuse to be a "point of reinforces"? then how reinsforces can come from nowhere to the top of a building ?

Post by **AncientMan** » 2008-01-07 16:43

Leave them up there, just cover the ladder. The more brits up there, the less there are searching for ammo caches.

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-01-07 16:45

What's the big deal? Grab some RPGs and GP-25s and keep the defender's heads down while you send ambushers and spec ops up the ladder. Use two guys with accurate weapons to keep the top of the ladder clear.

I'm not going to make any wager on this or anything, but I'm *pretty* sure that a single squad of good guys with TS/VOIP could get a firebase neutralised without making too much of a deal out of it.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2008-01-07 16:49

that dosent remove the fact that is unrealistic

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2008-01-07 16:50

you can mod the game but not the players. people will exploit anything they can get, though seems from gaz's posts it not so unrealistic.

bobfish · Post by **bobfish** » 2008-01-07 17:02

You can't use the spawning as a unrealistic point when RPs can be setup all over the place for spawning. As for being an actual firebase and cover, it's realistic as the previous posts on NI prove.

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-01-07 17:02

gazzthompson wrote:seems from gaz's posts it not so unrealistic.

Also seems that way from any one of a multitude of videos out there of US forces in Iraq currently, where they're *frequently* sat on the top of tall buildings behind sandbag walls with excellent lines of sight over the city.

Given that they probably didn't have a ladder and have excellent access via the stairwells I should imagine, that covers the "reinforcments spawning in" aspect of it, too.

Post by **~KILL~Pirate** » 2008-01-07 17:49

I can speak from experience, I am a retired Warrant Officer and spent 10 years in the US Army. I flew the UH-60 Blackhawk for 4 years and the last 3 as a co-pilot gunner on an AH-64 Apache Longbow. I spent 9 months in Iraq with my National Guard unit as a Medi-Vac pilot on a dustoff battalion. More than once, I had to land on a roof of a building to evacuate the injured due to landing restrictions in and around a city environment. All had temporary firebases for protection and strategic advantages purposes. So, the simple fact is that firebases have and always will be built on rooftops of hotels and various elevation positions is 100% real and happen every day...

SethLive! · Post by **SethLive!** » 2008-01-07 18:14

its actually really easy to take out people on top of the hotel. just get an rpg, climb on to one of the buildings near mosque, and you can shoot the hotel and kill all the people on top with the splash damage.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2008-01-07 18:43

~KILL~....Pirate-X wrote:I can speak from experience, I am a retired Warrant Officer and spent 10 years in the US Army. I flew the UH-60 Blackhawk for 4 years and the last 3 as a co-pilot gunner on an AH-64 Apache Longbow. I spent 9 months in Iraq with my National Guard unit as a Medi-Vac pilot on a dustoff battalion. More than once, I had to land on a roof of a building to evacuate the injured due to landing restrictions in and around a city environment. All had temporary firebases for protection and strategic advantages purposes. So, the simple fact is that firebases have and always will be built on rooftops of hotels and various elevation positions is 100% real and happen every day...

Props for being part of a dustoff unit man. You guys saved one of my buddies who took a round through his arm and lung. Where/when were you over there?

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2008-01-07 18:51

~KILL~....Pirate-X wrote:I can speak from experience, I am a retired Warrant Officer and spent 10 years in the US Army. I flew the UH-60 Blackhawk for 4 years and the last 3 as a co-pilot gunner on an AH-64 Apache Longbow. I spent 9 months in Iraq with my National Guard unit as a Medi-Vac pilot on a dustoff battalion. More than once, I had to land on a roof of a building to evacuate the injured due to landing restrictions in and around a city environment. All had temporary firebases for protection and strategic advantages purposes. So, the simple fact is that firebases have and always will be built on rooftops of hotels and various elevation positions is 100% real and happen every day...

respect.