the hell is the point of the Merlin

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 19:17

Ok i absolutely love the Merlin and i have nothing against it, but the merlin glitch makes it completely unplayable. Whats up with that? How are we supposed to play like that. ITs literally 4 out of 5 times in getting into the merlin that u will get the glitch, so only ONCE in a while are u lucky enough to freaking play it when its glitch free. As the only form of transport in albasrah and all that jazz it should be either fixed, which we havent seen in two releases, or replaced. If something dont work, then why place it in the game. It just makes me cry how such a beautiful chopper can be so screwed up. Also, iv noticed two gltich types on the merlin, on the map of albasrah it glitches everyfew seconds for about half a second to a second, but in the map with the eurofighters, it glitches every few more seconds for about a second and a half to two seconds, making it impossible to cope with. I cry and cut myself everyday cuz of this, look what uv done DEV!

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-01-09 19:25

I can understand your frustration, but you still should watch your tone.

Do you seriously think that DEVs would just leave it broken if they would know a way to fix it ?

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 19:29

absolutely not, i love the DEVs dont get me wrong, but its just unusable really. So if u cant use it, then why not ponder on a way to replace it or just remove it alltogether. I mean, look at albrasah, we were supposed to have the apache there, but it was removed, first due to a glitch, but secondly cuz it wusnt deemed fair or whatever the case was. DEVs have made adjustments in the past, and it all seems to work out, so i think they should consider the pain it is to try and fly one of those glitched up elephants...

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2008-01-09 19:34

ralfidude wrote:I cry and cut myself everyday cuz of this, look what uv done DEV!

1. You're an emo
2. It's not the DEVs' fault that you're emo

Have some patience, the bug is known and begging like this isn't going to help. The DEVs give their best and spend their time making this mod which includes replacing/fixing the mod.

BabaGurGur · Post by **BabaGurGur** » 2008-01-09 19:35

I feel your pain, the lag glitch on the merlin is un-bearable, try that happening to you at the start of a 32v32 game and your piloting.. with a full heli, i got all these tks because i tried landing but tipped over, tried to correct it but the lag glitch just made it impossible

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 19:42

hey brummy like i said, i love the DEVs, id marry one of them. Plus i understand that if it was fixable they would have done it already, cuz i trust my DEVs. They do likable things for their fans. But since it hasnt been fixed for like 2 versions now, then i understand its not something that CAN be fixed, either that or u guys havent figured out a way to fix it yet, and trust me im not bashing u about for it either. All im saying is that the DEVs could look into an alternative for this. Its killing our players right now, and as far as gameplay goes on a map like Albrashar, the US as getting their asses kicked. A workable chopper would be nice... or just an absence of one i can cope with.

PS: i not emo, countless of hours of therapy changed all that.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-01-09 19:45

OK, let's say they took out the Merlin. What now ?

Replace it with a Black Hawk (preferably with fastropes) ?
Well, we've got Brits there so this is out of question (besides, I hate BH for some reason).

If you are one of these people experiencing Merlin lag, just don't fly.
I'm lagging as well and that's why I don't fly.
If you think you're good at flying just go play some other maps. For example Jabal suffers from a lack of good pilots.

It's true, that the Apache's spawn was bugged and I'm sure that DEVs originally wanted to fix it, but after this accidental change they've noticed that it's not that bad without it.
And now this is something I have to agree with. The British team has superior equipment when it comes to long range combat - scoped rifles, IFV's, tank,...
They're just gonna kick the insurgent's asses as soon as they move out of the city.
Well, this pretty much forces them to stay inside - the urban combat is their specialty - inaccurate but powerful AK's, IED's, fast suicide cars.
Now give me a brake with chopper flying overhead. It would pretty much screw up any possible balance.

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2008-01-09 19:47

ralfidude wrote:hey brummy like i said, i love the DEVs, id marry one of them. Plus i understand that if it was fixable they would have done it already, cuz i trust my DEVs. They do likable things for their fans. But since it hasnt been fixed for like 2 versions now, then i understand its not something that CAN be fixed, either that or u guys havent figured out a way to fix it yet, and trust me im not bashing u about for it either. All im saying is that the DEVs could look into an alternative for this. Its killing our players right now, and as far as gameplay goes on a map like Albrashar, the US as getting their asses kicked. A workable chopper would be nice... or just an absence of one i can cope with.

PS: i not emo, countless of hours of therapy changed all that.

Hehe, yeah. But unfortunately there is no actual replacement for the Merlin in real life. Unless you take the Chinook which is impossible to be made into PR without nerfing or making it realistic. So I guess research will have to continue.

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 19:55

well i just hope that some kind of resolution will be made... i mena hes telling me not to fly... so who IS going to fly? Another person who gets the same lag and is going to crash and kill a fully loaded merlin.. i dunno it just seems like we should rename the merlin, to Suicide Merlin task force. Thats all the good that chopper does anyway except for those very few times it actually does work.. Eh i dont know... its just painful to see it standing there on the airfield not being used... i just end up going in there al the time like some kind of hypnosis took over, and it just ends up doing more bad than good, lol.

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-01-09 19:57

find out for us whats lagging it and we will fix it

Viper5 · Post by **Viper5** » 2008-01-09 20:01

My guess would be the tail ramp. Its the only difference AFAIK between the Merlin and the Blackhawk coding wise (besides tweaks in agility, etc.). Make the tail ramp depend on air speed rather than pilot control a la landing gear.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-01-09 20:03

ralfidude wrote:well i just hope that some kind of resolution will be made... i mena hes telling me not to fly... so who IS going to fly? Another person who gets the same lag and is going to crash and kill a fully loaded merlin.. i dunno it just seems like we should rename the merlin, to Suicide Merlin task force. Thats all the good that chopper does anyway except for those very few times it actually does work.. Eh i dont know... its just painful to see it standing there on the airfield not being used... i just end up going in there al the time like some kind of hypnosis took over, and it just ends up doing more bad than good, lol.

Ah god, if you know your lagging in it why are you even trying to fly with it ?

It's like taking a *your favorite kit here* while you know you can't hit a barn with it.

Just leave it alone than and take something else for transport that is working fine with you (ie. Landy, Warrior, truck).

You thing it's useless to be parked at the airport, but what's the difference if it's destroyed ?
Just leave it here - maybe somebody else who doesn't lag will take it.

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2008-01-09 20:03

brummy.uk wrote:1. You're an emo
2. It's not the DEVs' fault that you're emo

OMG sig.

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 20:08

if it lags for one person on the server it lags for everybody else on the server as well who tries to pilot it. Oh and well there is one thing to hint a lag issue, like the guys above me said, the back door is glitchy. I remember that when i was flying the merlin when it wasnt lagging, my copilot opened the backdoor, and everything bacame gray from that moment on. Not untill the hatch was closed did the merlin go back to its normal state. erhaps its worth checking that out? N deadfast, i dont want to argue with u, since i dont have a position to argue with u, and i respect u, but if ur telling me leave it alone, and render it useless, then we should just rid of it alltogethe, that seems to be the logic here. Dont bash me please, lol.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-01-09 20:15

I don't want to argue with you either, but you were complaining about crashing the Merlin because of the lag.
It makes no difference if the chopper is left on the airport or crashed.

And BTW, please, for a love of god, type out your words - it's making my eyes bleed seeing all the U instead of you. I understand the shorting of long phrases (As Far As I Know, If I Remember Correctly, etc.) but the 2 additional key hits are not such a punishment for better readable text.

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2008-01-09 20:16

Viper5 wrote:My guess would be the tail ramp. Its the only difference AFAIK between the Merlin and the Blackhawk coding wise (besides tweaks in agility, etc.). Make the tail ramp depend on air speed rather than pilot control a la landing gear.

Landing with the ramp open is pretty hard, also removing the ability to open it would be nicer. The only thing people do now is playing around with it making pilots crash. It's not that handy, and the Chinese and MEC helo have no ramp that can open neither.. sooo..

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-09 20:38

sry(sorry) deadfast, but i live in NYC, everything is fast paced and its just a habit u (you) get used to. lmao. Anyway, thanx for all the responses.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-01-09 20:46

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:find out for us whats lagging it and we will fix it

/thread

The DEVs are looking into it, remember, 0.7 is an incomplete version of PR and so not every little kink will have been ironed out. It'll all come out right in the end, just be patient.