challenger on Al Basrah

Jedimushroom · Post by **Jedimushroom** » 2008-01-11 23:07

Slightly off topic, what is the point of the scimitar? Exact same gun, and no passengers? It must have more armour but how much?

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2008-01-12 08:21

More armour, faster, killing machine, smaller so it can go to places other vehicles can't.

CodeC.Seven · Post by **CodeC.Seven** » 2008-01-12 12:42

The heat explosion of the Challenger is much bigger -.-

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-01-12 20:56

I prefer the movement of the scimitar to the warrior especially on rough ground, I dont know if its especially faster though.

Whats the point, I dont know, ask the british army

Petey · Post by **Petey** » 2008-01-12 21:13

quick noobish question about tanks, is the sabot for armor things and does the heat round have a high splash damage?? or is it vice versa

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2008-01-12 21:24

Petey wrote:quick noobish question about tanks, is the sabot for armor things and does the heat round have a high splash damage?? or is it vice versa

Sabots are entirely kinetic, ie, they don't contain any explosives. They are meant to penetrate thick armor of modern armored vehicles. HEAT rounds in the game aren't strictly HEAT rounds (I believe that in the APC they're actually called HE-I for High Explosive-Incendiary), but, as the name indicates, they are high explosive.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-01-12 21:27

Heat rounds on the tank are actually HESH ?

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-13 04:00

No. I don't believe HESH rounds (or their equivalent) are in use in any modernized armor force. The fact is that it is too easy to protect armored vehicles from spalling (the shearing of metal from the inside of the vehicle that the HESH rounds are meant to induce), and so now we use sabot rounds that are designed to actually penetrate the armor of vehicles.

V4.SKUNK · Post by **V4.SKUNK** » 2008-02-04 14:38

BloodBane611 wrote:No. I don't believe HESH rounds (or their equivalent) are in use in any modernized armor force. The fact is that it is too easy to protect armored vehicles from spalling (the shearing of metal from the inside of the vehicle that the HESH rounds are meant to induce), and so now we use sabot rounds that are designed to actually penetrate the armor of vehicles.

I'm in the British Army and i can tell you that C2's do use HESH!!!
They are used against buildings and soft targets.
HESH are far more effective than HEAT in this role, they can also be fired much further than a Sabot or HEAT.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-04 16:06

Do you have any good references about brit tank rounds? I've only read about russian HESH rounds, and not much there, so I'd love some more reading.

Burlock · Post by **Burlock** » 2008-02-04 16:17

Jedimushroom wrote:Slightly off topic, what is the point of the scimitar? Exact same gun, and no passengers? It must have more armour but how much?

its better off road than a apc, also because of the slow rate of fire of APC's its good to have one of these supporting the apc transporting the squad if you know what i mean.

Post by **Undies** » 2008-02-05 10:46

High explosive squash head - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats a quick oversight of HESH. As a CR2 crewman i can elaborate a little more. The tank will typically carry 49 rounds of which 3 are smoke, 13 are HESH and the rest are APFSDS, they can be fired at far greater ranges then sabot rounds and 2.5-4 km is not unheard of(though Royal Ordnance reckon itll do 8.5km). They are retained for a couple of reasons, they are more effective for soft skinned vehicles and area targets such as bunkers etc., and are very good for attacks on buildings etc.
We all thought HESH was old hat until Gulf War 1 when it was used to great success in engagements with armour and was responsible for a lot of the turrets flying off.
In theatre now we even carry HESH training rounds which are inert, not to kill anyone but to knock mouseholes through walls for infantry to use without fear of destroying the whole building.

The black ones are HESH and the blue ones are SHPRAC which are the training rounds.

RO Defence 120mm tank gun ammunition - Jane's Defence News

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-02-05 11:05

Nice pic, good update.

I like the fact you've taken a half-ton of playdough into theatre. I assume it's to hand out to Iraqi children as tokens of goodwill and such? Shame it's all in pink; your logistics guys should see if they can order in some other colours

Post by **Undies** » 2008-02-05 13:54

Funny you should mention the pink bits, they are ignition pads, when the vent tube is fired it ignites the bag charge by the pink portion which rests in the bottom half of the breach. But i think you are right, perhaps a shade of purple would be nice, or even turqoise? I suppose it depends what season it is

Jantje|NL^ · Post by **Jantje|NL^** » 2008-02-05 20:13

About the C2 on basrah.. It seems to be a little buggy..

I was in a challenger with a squad.. 3 guys.. (which is better than just two crewman)
(If you got a challenger,.. fill it up with 2 crewman and one engineer, the .50 can shoot the suicide cars and protect better.. the rifle will shoot the buildings and objectives that are far away) Anyway.. The rifle got stuck or something.. we just couldn't use it anymore :/ same as the .50 about 10 seconds later.. we ha'd no damage at all.. and than I was zapped to the airport.. real weird.. I didn't even die..

I love the C2 on basrah,, but this bug is just sometimes.. just like the merlin bug..

C2's are just pure ownage with someone in it who knows how to handle the .50

.50's own anyway.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-02-09 15:45

The Challengers in Desert Storm mainly employed HESH (High Explosive Squash Head) shells with their longer range as the Iraqi tanks armour wasn't up to Russian standards and would have been a waste of the shorter-ranged high-density armour-piercing rounds.

Main Battle Tank - Challenger 2