1 missile kill

arjan · Post by **arjan** » 2008-01-17 17:38

i think missiles will kill a plane at 1 hit, so im suggested a 1 shot 1 kill AA missiles

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2008-01-17 17:44

agree, but it depends on how good of a hit the missile had.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-01-17 17:47

Can jets even take one missle? Surely an explosion near to the jet with even slight damage is going to seriously comprimise its handling, speed etc.

charliegrs · Post by **charliegrs** » 2008-01-17 18:11

i agree with this. i think the devs encoded a proximity fuse into the AA missiles in .07? so if it goes off near a jet, i think you should be having some real problems. and if you get hit you should down for the count.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-01-17 18:14

Jets are pretty complex bits of kit and I think the Typhoon runs off 22 computers. Just one of them goes wrong and it drops out of the sky so I think a missle exploding in the proximity of a jet is going to affect it pretty bad...

Yeah could've had this topic on our vent/forums but then all the lovely people here don't get a say, how rude jonny...

MrD · Post by **MrD** » 2008-01-17 18:18

The Brit Apache has duplicate computers front and rear, so a missile/weapon knocking out one bank won't drop the aircraft for electronically based reasons. Careful not treating choppers like jets.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-01-17 18:28

Whats the deal with choppers and AA? Surely one hit is also gonna be pretty catastrophic...

Post by **Ninja2dan** » 2008-01-17 18:48

You'd be surprised to what modern military aircraft can withstand.

While flying a mission over Baghdad on April 7, 2003, her A-10 was hit by enemy anti-aircraft fire, rolled left, and pointed toward the ground. The A-10 sustained damage to one engine and to the redundant hydraulic systems, disabling the flight controls, landing gear and brakes, and horizontal stabilizer. However, Captain Campbell found that the manual flight controls still worked and she was able to fly her crippled A-10 back to base, 100 miles away. On the ground, an inspection of the aircraft revealed hundreds of holes in the airframe and that large sections of the stabilizer and hydraulic controls were missing.

Cpt Kim Campbell's event

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-01-17 18:54

Whoa that girl has got some serious guts. That'd stop me from flying USAF ever again...

Back on topic aren't A-10's pretty big beasts and "old technology" compared to modern F-22's (I know not in game) and Typhoons which rely on more gismos which can be damaged pretty easily. I'm not hot on jets but i'm pretty sure a big explosion about the aircraft is going to pretty much ruin your day.

Post by **Ninja2dan** » 2008-01-17 19:34

I must admit that comparing the Warthog to other air-superiority aircraft is a little unfair. The A-10 is designed to operate closer to the ground, afterall its role is as a "tank-buster". To counter that fact they gave the plane an armored bathtub around the pilot and designed the plane systems to have backups for backups.

The thing is that most AA warheads aren't a big explosion like setting C4 on the side of the plane. They are more like an airbursting buckshot round, when exploding they direct a cone of fragments towards the plane in hopes of shredding it to pieces. This means instead of one large hole you will instead get hundreds of smaller holes that hopefully damage components, wiring, and other critical systems or control surfaces.

Aircraft companies are aware of the effects of AA warheads, and are designing combat aircraft to better sustain such hits without having total systems failure. Raptors might not be as hardcore as the Warthog is, but I'm sure they can take some damage as well. Unless it's a stress crack, then all hell breaks loose.

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-17 19:51

well the a10 can withstand multiple damage, both engine failures and still fly on strings, and basically its a damn good plane to go in combat with. But a plane like the F15 can take a hit and still make it as well. I suppose u all heard the amazing story where the F15 either got hid or clipped (i dont rmbr) and he flew on one wing and managed to land like nothign happened. I swear, he had no wing on his right side, it was odd! But it gives u an idea that one missiles hit sometimes does the trick depending on where it hits, but ehh, not always.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-01-17 19:56

Flying with one wing? I'm pretty sure the laws of physics have got you by the balls on that one. Where's jonny when you need him...?

Problem is there really isn't much to go in the way of real war time evidence as when was the last time a modern day combat jet was taken down by an AA missle?

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-17 20:15

Scott O'Grady over Bosnia is the latest one I can remember. 1 SAM took his F16 right out of the fight.

I vaguely remember something like ralfidude is saying, but I think it was just a heavily damaged wing and one engine. With only 1 wing you are going to have trouble creating enough lift to fly a fighter.

Anyhow, in their current state planes are pretty fragile and vulnerable. I don't think any nerfing is necessary.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2008-01-17 20:35

Morgan wrote:Flying with one wing? I'm pretty sure the laws of physics have got you by the balls on that one. Where's jonny when you need him...?

Problem is there really isn't much to go in the way of real war time evidence as when was the last time a modern day combat jet was taken down by an AA missle?

Hey Morgan. Search "flying with one wing" for a physics lesson

Ah google is so easy to use.

LiveLeak.com - F-15 flying with one wing

unrealalex · Post by **unrealalex** » 2008-01-17 21:21

Just from experience, looking at people flying, very few are successful at it to the point where they can have fun. I don't think flying should be made harder...I mean there are like what, 2 maps with planes, and more often than not nobody is flying...

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2008-01-17 21:24

Jonny wrote:That does NOT count as a physics lesson, but like I said, if the torque is reduced it may be flyable. I think he would have had to pull up a lot to cancel the lift from the wing and avoid spinning, but it may not produce much lift as its designed for high speeds.

Still very surprising though.

Kind of was, if you watched it at the end he goes over that the body of the F15 is wide enough to fly with one wing as long as you have high speeds....then it travels like a rocket. Eitherway no "physics by the balls" thing? It flew with one wing...the guy was right in what he said no matter what the physics were...2 sec google shows that. Not busting anyones balls...just saying that guy was right in what he said.