Anti-Personnel Kit

gclark03 · Post by **gclark03** » 2008-01-18 02:43

As you all know, the Special Operations kit in PR is a complete joke - underpowered, unarmored, and largely unskilled. Instead of a kit with such limited power and appeal, we need a true anti-personnel kit again.

Here is my proposed layout for the limited AP kit:

1)Knife
2)Shotgun (20 shells; until shotgun accuracy is better, use Carbine with 4+1 mags)
3)2 Remote-operated Claymores
4)1 Frag Grenade
5)1 SLAM
6)Field Dressing x1
7)Body Armor
8 )Binoculars

This kit would merge the capabilities of the current Spec Ops kit and the former AP kit, without being too overpowered. SLAMS are difficult to use and weak already, even with three available; one SLAM is negligible. The only questionable choice I can see is the frag - it could be replaced with a smoke or signal grenade, or nothing at all.

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-01-18 02:55

Would you keep the spec ops kit alongside for the SOFLAM?

Eddiereyes909 · Post by **Eddiereyes909** » 2008-01-18 02:58

gclark03 wrote:As you all know, the Special Operations kit in PR is a complete joke - underpowered, unarmored, and largely unskilled. Instead of a kit with such limited power and appeal, we need a true anti-personnel kit again.

Here is my proposed layout for the limited AP kit:

1)Knife
2)Shotgun (20 shells; until shotgun accuracy is better, use Carbine with 4+1 mags)
3)2 Remote-operated Claymores
4)1 Frag Grenade
5)1 SLAM
6)Field Dressing x1
7)Body Armor
8 )Binoculars

This kit would merge the capabilities of the current Spec Ops kit and the former AP kit, without being too overpowered. SLAMS are difficult to use and weak already, even with three available; one SLAM is negligible. The only questionable choice I can see is the frag - it could be replaced with a smoke or signal grenade, or nothing at all.

kill the slam and your good

Leo · Post by **Leo** » 2008-01-18 03:04

gclark03 wrote:As you all know, the Special Operations kit in PR is a complete joke - underpowered, unarmored, and largely unskilled. Instead of a kit with such limited power and appeal, we need a true anti-personnel kit again.

Here is my proposed layout for the limited AP kit:

1)Knife
2)Shotgun (20 shells; until shotgun accuracy is better, use Carbine with 4+1 mags)
3)2 Remote-operated Claymores
4)1 Frag Grenade
5)1 SLAM
6)Field Dressing x1
7)Body Armor
8 )Binoculars

This kit would merge the capabilities of the current Spec Ops kit and the former AP kit, without being too overpowered. SLAMS are difficult to use and weak already, even with three available; one SLAM is negligible. The only questionable choice I can see is the frag - it could be replaced with a smoke or signal grenade, or nothing at all.

Kinda kills the whole point of a special operations kit. It's fine and dandy as is. It doesn't need body armor or nades because if either are needed, you're doing your job wrong.

The Spec Ops is suupposed to go behind enemy lines and silently laze out targets. Thus, no need for nades, body armor or claymores.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-01-18 03:26

gclark03 wrote:As you all know, the Special Operations kit in PR is a complete joke

underpowered

How? Only differences in the Carbines is that they are "bf2 zeroed" to 100m. Though they're still pretty effective up to about 200/250m. Other than that, they use a very slightly different projectile template to the M16 rifles. Only noticable difference is that they have a damage rolloff which begins at a shorter range.

As for slams, in terms of destroying enemy assets they are perfectly powered.

unarmored

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY[/youtube]

Every base kit has body armor. You keep this regardless of what kit you request.

largely unskilled

Skill, as such, is usually dependant on the player. That said, you might mean the skill we've portrayed that kit/loadout to have. To that I say, operating explosives and using a laser designation system require just a tad bit of skill, ya'know...

Sorry for being so cheeky but you called the kit "a joke" then claimed it should be an "anti-personel kit". If that's the kit you want, squad up an be a rifleman.

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-01-18 03:32

ROFL Jaymz!

Managed to find my favourite Scrubs clip there.

gclark03 · Post by **gclark03** » 2008-01-18 04:01

How many times do you find yourself trying to destroy assets with a Spec Ops kit instead of vehicle firepower or engineer C4? The instances where Spec Ops would be useful are so rare, I don't see the need for a special, 'clandestine operations' kit. Sure, there are some people who create dedicated recon/sabotage squads, but the AP kit and the Engineer kit, used together, could do what a Spec Ops-equipped squad could not.

As for the SOFLAM issue, I honestly forgot about laser designation - if we'd just give one of the spawn kits a SOFLAM, there would be no issue. Seeing that this would probably never occur, it would be best for AP to have a SOFLAM. My bad.

I'm really hoping that this class would have a buckshot/slugshot pump-action, not a carbine, but shotguns are completely gone from PR as it stands, and almost every other class has an assault rifle.

And, Jaymz, I stand pwned.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-18 04:17

The instances where Spec Ops would be useful are so rare, I don't see the need for a special, 'clandestine operations' kit

That's why it's a limited kit with a 3 kit limit....

I'm really hoping that this class would have a buckshot/slugshot pump-action, not a carbine, but shotguns are completely gone from PR as it stands, and almost every other class has an assault rifle.

Shotguns are used mainly for breaching, and basically every soldier you see is either going to have a rifle, carbine, or LMG. Shotguns are relatively rare on the modern battlefield.

I think this is a poor idea.

And Jay, is that your favorite clip ever or what?

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2008-01-18 04:26

Spec Ops needs a grappling hook.

The engineer can do almost every job spec ops can except with a sotgun instead of a semi auto.

If we get a grappling hook (which spec ops would have over an engineer surely!?) then at least then spec ops can actually do spec ops missions, sneaking behind enemy lines to destroy assets.

The rifle rules, I love walking with the sight up, you can see everything still and can react so quickly to people diving from doorways.

The slams are good but irl can't they knock the tracks off a tank? anyhow 3 of them do enough damage to armour.

No armour is also good, represents the needs of agility etc in spec ops.

I never play as spec ops I'm always SL but Id like to be able to have a pair of them to be able to tell to sneak over the wall, hide inside till we come etc all the things spec ops do!

Grappling hook, go on

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-01-18 04:52

BloodBane611 wrote:And Jay, is that your favorite clip ever or what?

It's just so usefull on forums

gclark03 wrote:As for the SOFLAM issue, I honestly forgot about laser designation - if we'd just give one of the spawn kits a SOFLAM, there would be no issue. Seeing that this would probably never occur, it would be best for AP to have a SOFLAM. My bad.

SL's can spawn as an officer which gets a soflam. Between those and SF players, that's plenty of soflams.

Deadmonkiefart · Post by **Deadmonkiefart** » 2008-01-18 05:08

I agaree that pec Ops needs a grappling hook.

DeePsix · Post by **DeePsix** » 2008-01-18 05:09

And zip lines and fast ropes and pogo sticks

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-01-18 05:14

I like the shotgun tbh. Pitty we don't see it more

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-01-18 05:15

DeePsix wrote:And zip lines and fast ropes and pogo sticks

Pogo sticks were in the original BF2.

DeePsix · Post by **DeePsix** » 2008-01-18 05:24

LOL!

Well can't they be brought back for the "Special Forces"

Can Special Forces get a cape in 0.8? What about Sam Fisher's Goggles?

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-01-18 07:01

And a nonosuit!

General Dragosh · Post by **General Dragosh** » 2008-01-18 12:13

And a big tasty cookie !

unrealalex · Post by **unrealalex** » 2008-01-18 12:39

But seriously, aren't Special Ops suppose to be more "elite"?Or is that hollywood and Discovery channel talk?

They should get better accuracy, nerves of steel kind of thing

The only time I've seen people actually use spec ops is when I'm flying in Qinling and someone joins my squad and goes "I'll grab spec ops and mark targets for ya"
And that shouldn't even be needed due to officers...

Post by **Spec** » 2008-01-18 13:06

I'm still wondering why the devs are adding the Special Ops again and again in every release, but noone really wants them because they are known to be useless. And if ayone suggests special items with use for special operations, like a suppressor or in this case a hook, noone ever wants it... But well, maybe i just dont know how to use the kit. Last time i played Spec Ops was 0.5 i think, and i was a 'nilla noob back then...

Maxfragg · Post by **Maxfragg** » 2008-01-18 13:17

they are not useless, if used right, they are one of the best kits, but using them just in the direct frontline is ofcause not effective, but if you hide, destroy things with your slams, hide agian, they are very usefull, especially since they can devend while reloading the rifle with there pistol, which is a great bonus, and well, since the soflams have got so mighty in this version, they have an extra bonus