G3 is stuffed

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 04:46

You made the M16 into a one of the best guns ever depicted in a video game it looks absolutly fantastic.

Devs latest patch you went a little bit over board with the G3, it bucks like your firing an elephant gun, the accuracy is now not so good could not good.

Post by **X1 Spriggan** » 2008-01-18 04:48

There are planning to have the g3 recoil more but then have the deviation of the bullets less.

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-01-18 04:50

RHYS4190 wrote:

Every single patch team you break some thing. That not good guys. if you want to became professional moders and make retail games every thing got to be perfect, there is not mistakes in business.

Like EA? ROFL

You should demand a refund m8

DeePsix · Post by **DeePsix** » 2008-01-18 04:58

Yea, I'd defiantly ask for your money back.

There are far more constructive ways to go about your problem.

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-01-18 04:59

RHYS4190 wrote:there is not mistakes in business.

...

IGN (August, 2005) wrote:Electronic Arts today announced that, based on internal sell-in data, the award-winning game Battlefield 2(TM) has sold more than
1.2M copies worldwide.

Bare in mind that EA/Dice had a full on paid testing team and they still released despite the fact that you could write a novel about the exploits, bugs and balace issues it shipped with.

Losus_Deliosus · Post by **Losus_Deliosus** » 2008-01-18 05:00

RHYS4190 wrote:Every single patch team you break some thing. That not good guys. if you want to became professional moders and make retail games every thing got to be perfect, there is not mistakes in business.

And you may not want to hear this but you got to hear it you can’t hide from the truth and hiding from it i descovered is often a lethal error

And spare me those threatening Email im only trying to help you.

Dude...PR is free, the devs are doing this in their free time and expect no reward, and things will be broke each release because if they wait till everything is completely perfect (which is never going to happen on the BF2 engine) then there would never be a release (or PR would be very dead by the time they have a release).

ralfidude · Post by **ralfidude** » 2008-01-18 06:08

who the hell is this guy to diss the Devs like that? I mean, im not on the good book with the devs but jeez, i would never say something like that.

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 06:15

just pointing out that thay where over zelous with their handycaping of it.

I wounder if thay can make a mini patch where thay bumb down the buck and make it more accurite sould not be to hard and it whould restore the balance.

charliegrs · Post by **charliegrs** » 2008-01-18 06:23

i really really really wish there was a way to ban someone for comments like this. this thread is atrocious, hey you dont like the mod dont play it. you think you can do any better? the devs made a mod that is a million times better than the game it is based on, which im sure if we had to many of us would pay good money for. and in case you didnt notice, it is currently on version .07 BETA. that means it is still a work in progress, and it has some bugs but for the most part its pretty damn polished. there are much more respectful ways to point out bugs in the mod, but it doesnt really matter cuz if you looked in the already suggested section you will see that the G3 recoil problem has been mentioned a million times already.

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 06:29

ralfidude wrote:who the hell is this guy to diss the Devs like that? I mean, im not on the good book with the devs but jeez, i would never say something like that.

So what i should be a yes man and nod my head, So we should all just not give feed back and give are honest opinon.

Id rather have people tell me what thay think on matters and not have them lie to spare my feelings,

And i may have soulded like i was dising them but no im not. im not trying to hurt there feelings im just trying to give them feedback and information.

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 06:34

charliegrs wrote:i really really really wish there was a way to ban someone for comments like this. this thread is atrocious, hey you dont like the mod dont play it. you think you can do any better? the devs made a mod that is a million times better than the game it is based on, which im sure if we had to many of us would pay good money for. and in case you didnt notice, it is currently on version .07 BETA. that means it is still a work in progress, and it has some bugs but for the most part its pretty damn polished. there are much more respectful ways to point out bugs in the mod, but it doesnt really matter cuz if you looked in the already suggested section you will see that the G3 recoil problem has been mentioned a million times already.

There i edited it so it not so offensive.

charliegrs · Post by **charliegrs** » 2008-01-18 06:35

RHYS4190 wrote:
Every single patch team you break some thing. That not good guys. if you want to became professional moders and make retail games every thing got to be perfect, there is no mistakes in business mistakes cost money.

And you may not want to hear this but you got to hear it you can’t hide from the truth and hiding from it i descovered is often a lethal error

And spare me those threatening Email im only trying to help you.

its totally ok to make suggestions, thats what the suggestion forum is for. but you have to do it in a RESPECTFUL manner. belittling the devs by saying that "there is no room for mistakes in business" is just plain disrespectful. and i dont know why your bringing up business and money, did you pay for this mod? No you didnt. i think EA/DICE are the people you should be complaining to like this. like i said before, i have no problem with your suggestion, just in the way that you presented it.

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 06:40

charliegrs wrote:its totally ok to make suggestions, thats what the suggestion forum is for. but you have to do it in a RESPECTFUL manner. belittling the devs by saying that "there is no room for mistakes in business" is just plain disrespectful. and i dont know why your bringing up business and money, did you pay for this mod? No you didnt. i think EA/DICE are the people you should be complaining to like this. like i said before, i have no problem with your suggestion, just in the way that you presented it.

Well i can't help that you find it offensive where i come from it not offensive and i was not trying to be offensive.

Silvarius2000 · Post by **Silvarius2000** » 2008-01-18 06:42

RHYS4190 wrote:Well i can't help that you find it offensive where i come from it not offensive.

Dude theres a difference between telling someone he's a dumbass and suggesting that he may be wrong alright? Ones constructive and ones not. And you may be wrong alright?

That tone was very offensive of you really. You oughta show them how not to make mistakes and become a developer yourself you know? Devs any openings for him?

DeePsix · Post by **DeePsix** » 2008-01-18 06:43

It's not that your opinion isn't valued or your suggestion is worthless. The rude manner in which you presented your point is what we have a problem with.

I understand that 98% of the internet lacks manners, but if you want your point of view to be actually be accepted to and to open a dialog between you and the DEVs, a bit of professionalism and courtesy is called for.

householddog · Post by **householddog** » 2008-01-18 06:46

RHYS4190 wrote:

So what i should be a yes man and nod my head, So we should all just not give feed back and give are honest opinon.

Id rather have people tell me what thay think on matters and not have them lie to spare my feelings,

And i may have soulded like i was dising them but no im not. im not trying to hurt there feelings im just trying to give them feedback and information.

OK now we have all judged somebody's (lack of) manners lets get back on topic.

Either this is a community based mod or it isn't. If it is then put up with criticism. If not then just announce a closed shop and let it rest there. Of course without feedback you would have a pretty crappy mod.

There are problems with this version, sure, it is still beta. What irks me about this site is that people will yell down anyone who says so. This is why people who have criticisms start whinging, because they (apparently) not being heard. Most of

Honestly I don't know how you could say the G3 is ok. Try hitting a man sized target on single shot, prone from even 30 meters and you will mostly miss. I have not shot a G3 but i have shot a FNFAL, I forget the grouping but I surely could hit the target every time at that range.

As for the recoil, I never remember having my head thrust up into the sky from the kick like it does in .7. The recoil IMHO could come down a little I would think. These guns are meant to be fired on full auto. I a fairly sure they would be designed so at least 2 bullets could possibly hit at 5 meters. At the moment it would be lucky for one to.

RHYS4190 · Post by **RHYS4190** » 2008-01-18 06:49

Sorry i was not trying to be rude.

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-01-18 06:53

Ok guys, i think RHYS4190 gets the point, we'd better stop short of a public lynching.

I'm personally ok with the G3 (although its kick is hard), but I suppose this issue will definately be worked out soon for Muttrah 2?

charliegrs · Post by **charliegrs** » 2008-01-18 06:54

householddog wrote:Either this is a community based mod or it isn't. If it is then put up with criticism. If not then just announce a closed shop and let it rest there. Of course without feedback you would have a pretty crappy mod.

There are problems with this version, sure, it is still beta. What irks me about this site is that people will yell down anyone who says so. This is why people who have criticisms start whinging, because they (apparently) not being heard. Most of

Honestly I don't know how you could say the G3 is ok. Try hitting a man sized target on single shot, prone from even 30 meters and you will mostly miss. I have not shot a G3 but i have shot a FNFAL, I forget the grouping but I surely could hit the target every time at that range.

As for the recoil, I never remember having my head thrust up into the sky from the kick like it does in .7. The recoil IMHO could come down a little I would think. These guns are meant to be fired on full auto. I a fairly sure they would be designed so at least 2 bullets could possibly hit at 5 meters. At the moment it would be lucky for one to.

did you even read the original thread? or any of the replies? NO ONE is critizing the op for making a suggestion. its the rude, disrespectful way he went about doing it. ive made a million suggestions myself, and you are always gonna get people shooting down suggestions, but never once have i have i been rude my suggestions. this thread should really be locked...

Losus_Deliosus · Post by **Losus_Deliosus** » 2008-01-18 07:01

householddog wrote:Either this is a community based mod or it isn't. If it is then put up with criticism. If not then just announce a closed shop and let it rest there. Of course without feedback you would have a pretty crappy mod.

There are problems with this version, sure, it is still beta. What irks me about this site is that people will yell down anyone who says so.

It's not that we are against criticism, it's just it would be respectful to the Devs for all their work if it was constructive criticism (suggested politely, provide evidence of what the current issue is, etc etc).

What you have to remember about this whole deviation and recoil thing that is going on right now is a very fragile balance between all the small arms weapons in game. When the devs change the recoil of one weapon they have to change the recoil of all the other weapons too if it is to stay realistically accurate. This is not an easy task as any changes to deviation and recoil require plenty of scenario testing which was perhaps a little difficult in the 0.7 development cycle considering that the tester team is smaller and maybe even a little quiet compared to the other release cycles.

What it comes down to is recoil and deviation is still up in the air and there are still going to be changes to them in PR's future, so don't fret as it will get fixed in due time.