Weapon Jams

Tacticsniper815 · Post by **Tacticsniper815** » 2006-02-09 02:25

Hey i was wondering if you could make it to where your gun would jam and you'd have to fix the jam.

mav3r1c · Post by **mav3r1c** » 2006-02-09 02:39

Ya, I've asked this too.

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-02-09 02:40

No but fun idea anyways.

Heydude235 · Post by **Heydude235** » 2006-02-09 02:48

I would like this fh mod has talked about this but im not sure if it could be done. Maybe you can use the overheat code but make it jam. Then you would have to hit reload and it will un jam it. Maybe only happen when you fire to much to fast.

mav3r1c · Post by **mav3r1c** » 2006-02-09 02:50

THis would also deter people from using auto mode.

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-02-09 02:51

It has been talked about but I dont think the coding would allow for it.

Heydude235 · Post by **Heydude235** » 2006-02-09 02:53

Yes but i think this could be done. With the overheat code that stops you from firing. Just make the sound driffent. Also i would make driffent kinds of jams some cant be fixed. Some can

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-02-09 02:57

Do people actually overheat guns still??? I never do. So no jams for me.

in reality the m16 would jam ever 2 mins. Every marine will back me up !

Heydude235 · Post by **Heydude235** » 2006-02-09 03:07

I over heat some times just make it more sensitive for some guns.

Post by **Rhino** » 2006-02-09 05:05

this would be exstramly hard to code and would probaly not be worth the time on codeing it. Personly i would much prefer if the devs get a new gun in ect than get all the weapons to have random jams

asiLLasiTgets · Post by **asiLLasiTgets** » 2006-02-09 06:13

Why does everybody have the Idea that the M16 jams all the time? Truth of the matter is that 90+% of the malfunctions are user error, and can be prevented by proper care of the weapon. The military neglects the rifles in it's inventory, furthermore the soldiers who are issued these rifles neglect them further. Plus the weapons that the military has are 10 plus years old at least. The military uses the worst ammo imaginable next to russian or chinese import, and uses the worst magazines. The rifle gets a bad rap. The rifle is reliable, maybe not as much as an Ak47, but reliable none the less. I have only had one malfunction in 6 years with my M4 carbine, and that was because I fired an entire Beta C-mag through it on Full auto and melted an extractor spring. I have probably fired close to 20,000 rounds through it. The key to this rifle is to take care of it. The military and soldiers just do not do this. The other 10% I allowed for is the elements like sand and things like this....But then again I live in arizona and there is plenty of sand here, and still only the one malfunction.

Raptor · Post by **Raptor** » 2006-02-09 06:23

asiLLasiTgets wrote:Why does everybody have the Idea that the M16 jams all the time? Truth of the matter is that 90+% of the malfunctions are user error, and can be prevented by proper care of the weapon. The military neglects the rifles in it's inventory, furthermore the soldiers who are issued these rifles neglect them further. Plus the weapons that the military has are 10 plus years old at least. The military uses the worst ammo imaginable next to russian or chinese import, and uses the worst magazines. The rifle gets a bad rap. The rifle is reliable, maybe not as much as an Ak47, but reliable none the less. I have only had one malfunction in 6 years with my M4 carbine, and that was because I fired an entire Beta C-mag through it on Full auto and melted an extractor spring. I have probably fired close to 20,000 rounds through it. The key to this rifle is to take care of it. The military and soldiers just do not do this. The other 10% I allowed for is the elements like sand and things like this....But then again I live in arizona and there is plenty of sand here, and still only the one malfunction.

Yeah, I was going to say the exact same thing, but it's defiantly better when someone with personal experience says it (my knownledge is mostly from stories from friends (and family) in the Army; I have qualified with the M16A2 and with the GAU-5 (which is basically the USAF verison of the M4/CAR-15) but not spent enough time (or any field time) with the weapons to give a complete, truthful opinion about it.

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-02-09 06:32

My m16 always jammed and most of my squad members as well. The m16 is just way to delicate when it comes to actual combat situations. The smallest amout of carbon or dirt will cause a jam. An ak however could be washed in dirt and rocks and still work.

I have the experience from my time in the USMC

Raptor · Post by **Raptor** » 2006-02-09 06:53

DEDMON5811 wrote:My m16 always jammed and most of my squad members as well. The m16 is just way to delicate when it comes to actual combat situations. The smallest amout of carbon or dirt will cause a jam. An ak however could be washed in dirt and rocks and still work.

I have the experience from my time in the USMC

Maybe the Marines just treat their M16's like shit

DEDMON5811 · Post by **DEDMON5811** » 2006-02-09 07:42

m16's are shit. The are amazingly accurate weapons but they are terrible for reliability

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-02-09 09:27

I am sure most weapon would work reliably when oiled properly and kept prime, except that when ur in a war, time is not always a luxury. Record of the weapon performance in wartime use back in vietnam didn't quite favour the M-16, it was as dedmon said, rather temperamental to the surrounding. Sure, i am sure if the weapon is kept shiny clean, it'll work flawlessly. But fact is, during vietnam the M-16 jammed way more than the AKs did. And i am certain that the north vietnam didn't treated their AKs with some magic potion that kept it working fine.

that was in the past of course, the current M-16 didn't share the shortcomming of his predecessor, not to the extent of the old generation anyway.

asiLLasiTgets · Post by **asiLLasiTgets** » 2006-02-09 10:04

In vietnam soldiers were not issued cleaning kits for the M16. They were told they did not have to clean it. The army made ammunition with ball powder instead of stick powder. The combination of these things caused the malfunctions early in the M16's initial deployment not a design flaw. The M16 is obviosly not as reliable as the Kalashnikov rifle, but then again no other rifle on this planet is. Both rifles have there pros and cons. I am simply staing if you have a good rifle that you keep maintained that has not been abused you wont have problems. As for carbon jaming your rifle it would take a decent amount, and this can be avoided by keeping your rifle out of the dirt, of the ground, and by keeping your ejection port cover closed, as well as a plastic bag with rubberband over the end of your barrel. Next to the kalashnikov and other rifles based of the kalashnikov design, the M16 is one of the most reliable modern assualt rifles. Realisticly the M16's in todays military arsenals are wore out, and it is not just the M16's, it is the M249's, the M9's, the M240Bravo's, etc......I am a proud owner of both a M4 and an AK-47 (among numerous others) and I like them both. Which one would I pick? It depends on where you are sending me.

Zepheris Casull · Post by **Zepheris Casull** » 2006-02-09 10:43

agreed, i suppose the fact that vietnam isn't the most hospitable place for machinery doesn't help for the M-16s. But i wonder though, the design for the old M-16s picked some part and mechanism choice which some argue could be better.

beta · Post by **beta** » 2006-02-09 15:02

As for carbon jaming your rifle it would take a decent amount, and this can be avoided by keeping your rifle out of the dirt, of the ground, and by keeping your ejection port cover closed, as well as a plastic bag with rubberband over the end of your barrel.

Wow.

I play airsoft, and I find it hard enough to do this when NON-LETHAL BBs are being shot at me, let alone BULLETS.

Come on now, those are VERY unrealistic expectations. Keep it out of the dirt? What happens when you have to go prone FAST? I'm guessing 'out of the ground' means not shoving the barrel in the ground, keeping the ejection port cover closed, that's reasonable (most of the time). My favourite "[putting] a plastic bag with a rubberband over the end of your barrel", ehhh, i don't know ... not something I would want to do in the field ...

asiLLasiTgets · Post by **asiLLasiTgets** » 2006-02-09 18:32

beta wrote:I'm guessing 'out of the ground' means not shoving the barrel in the ground, (most of the time).

Exactly

beta wrote:My favourite "[putting] a plastic bag with a rubberband over the end of your barrel", ehhh, i don't know ... not something I would want to do in the field ...

You do it on down time a little plastic baggie with a rubberband or even a condom to prevent dirt and grit from getting in the barrell (soldiers have been doing this for years as far back as WWI, though in WWI they did not use plastic, they used cloth) Then when you get in an engagement you simply shoot through the plastic. It works like a charm and it is common practice.