Make suicide bomber more strategic...

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-29 14:19

This thread is based on a post I made early this AM. I did a search and didnt see anything like I am proposing. Maybe it has merit? It has been edited from my original post and is not a "repost".

Heres one for you....
I think a suicide bomber whether he uses a jihad car or truck or any other means, should be scored, rewarded or penalized, by his effective use of the suicide bombing tactic.

My reasoning....
If you are a suicide bomber....IMO....you have already prepared yourself for the gravity of the situation. You have already come to grips with the fact that you are leaving this earth and moving on to the after-life.
Gone from this world......forever.
You know that by blowing yourself up that it is final. The end.
It is also spiritual, you are SACRIFICING yourself to the greater good of your cause what ever it may be.
Also....it is your goal to take out as many infidels as you can with your last "big bang".

I propose this....
If you are going to employ the suicide attack by whatever means....you should be prepared to make the SACRIFICE. You should also make sure it is done for the greater good of your team by making your own death worthy by taking out as many enemy as possible.

You can do this by implementing a 3 minute spawn time for suicide bombers...if they kill no one.
2 minutes if they kill 1 enemy.
1.5 minutes if they kill 2 enemy.
1 minute if they kill 3 enemy.
30 seconds if they kill 4 enemy.

And if they kill 5 or more... they get immediate respawn and a message in the upper left that is visible to all players that says:
"Player X has just earned 70 virgins" or something to that nature.
Maybe in the insurgency maps have them earn a weapons cache back that can be placed on the map by the successful suicide bomber or something.

I think the suicide bomber tactic is valid....just make it so it is employed and rewarded more efficiently and so it is used for the betterment of the entire game....and not just spammed by "joe average" on his 1st day in PR. LOL

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-29 16:24

Not one agree or disagree yet?

Sergeant_Banner · Post by **Sergeant_Banner** » 2008-01-29 16:34

I think its a good idea, but the 70 (thought it was 72 ?) Virgins quote seems a bit OTT IMO

I thought you were going to suggest a suicide bomber kit

Sarge

Death_dx · Post by **Death_dx** » 2008-01-30 02:00

Seems like a fair idea. The only problem is what happens when you accidentally suicide.

jOHNNYdOUBE · Post by **jOHNNYdOUBE** » 2008-01-30 02:05

3 minute spawn time.

Teek · Post by **Teek** » 2008-01-30 02:42

Death_dx wrote:Seems like a fair idea. The only problem is what happens when you accidentally suicide.

then you wasted you suicide attempt. 3 min for you.

This Idea sounds great.

Deadmonkiefart · Post by **Deadmonkiefart** » 2008-01-30 04:14

I kind of agree, but he should also be rewarded if he destroys an enemy tank/apc/ifv. Tank would add 2 kills and an apc/ifv should add 1. Because, in my opinion, a suicide bomber who destroys an enemy vehicle does a lot more for his team than one who goes off in a group of enemy infantry.

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-30 06:51

No special rewards for anything other than the taking of "infidel" lives.
Do we get extra tickets subtracted if someone was driving a tank?
No.
It doesnt matter if someone is on foot or in a tank. A kill is a kill is a kill.

As for an accidental suicide....3 minutes....plain and simple.

Oh and also....1 minute added for each friendly kill.
The suicide bombers are told that they will be "martyred" for the deaths of "infidels". Who wants to recognize a bomber who kills his own people?
So to insure that a jihad car or truck is employed effectively....1 minute for each friendly kill.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » 2008-01-30 10:00

To many rules and to complicated...

If you hit noone 1 min respawn

If you kill one or more then you instant spawn.

AND in my opinion only civis should be able to drive suicide vehicles.

Sadist_Cain · Post by **Sadist_Cain** » 2008-01-30 10:07

*carefully steps to avoid eggshells*

The subject of suicide bombing in PR is a dodgy one.

We already get the points for the kills and if it's a good jihad we get to see the results (something you wont get irl...) I find that reward enough

Also the bomber has to have a certain craziness to him anyhow...

bad idea for the whole "player XX has just earned 70 virgins"
I don't think any more reference needs to be made anywhere else about the muslim faith and its followers who choose to carry out suicide bombings.

Personally I dont think you can "reward" such acts even in game... the reward comes from getting the biggest boom you can, destroying and killing as much as you can... just like what the ******** try to do irl... Plenty enough reality for me there

dont wanna make it a whole points for suicide thing

You can do this by implementing a 3 minute spawn time for suicide bombers...if they kill no one.
2 minutes if they kill 1 enemy.
1.5 minutes if they kill 2 enemy.
1 minute if they kill 3 enemy.
30 seconds if they kill 4 enemy.

I like that bit though, reducing spawn time depending on the amount of kills.

zeidmaan · Post by **zeidmaan** » 2008-01-30 12:55

I dont like the idea all that much, specially the way you rank the successfulness. I think you contribute to the team much more if you destroy an APC than if you kill 4 infantry men. With penalties like you suggested people would hardly try to go for the APC. For one its slim chances you will make it so you have to expect 3 minutes spawn. And than even if you make it you get 1 kill and its 2 minutes respawn time for you.

fludblud · Post by **fludblud** » 2008-01-30 16:58

bad idea

too much clutter for a relatively straightforward BOOM and wtf were you smoking when you came up with the 72 virgins thing?

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-30 22:11

fludblud wrote:bad idea

too much clutter for a relatively straightforward BOOM and wtf were you smoking when you came up with the 72 virgins thing?

I distinctly said 70 virgins.
Any faith having a different number or any of the like is strictly coincidence.

In all seriousness....
If anyone is or was offended.....please forgive me. That was not my intention.

This thread was merely a suggestion and I do see some of your points.

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-30 22:23

Sadist_Cain wrote:*carefully steps to avoid eggshells*

The subject of suicide bombing in PR is a dodgy one.

We already get the points for the kills and if it's a good jihad we get to see the results (something you wont get irl...) I find that reward enough

Also the bomber has to have a certain craziness to him anyhow...

bad idea for the whole "player XX has just earned 70 virgins"
I don't think any more reference needs to be made anywhere else about the muslim faith and its followers who choose to carry out suicide bombings.

Personally I dont think you can "reward" such acts even in game... the reward comes from getting the biggest boom you can, destroying and killing as much as you can... just like what the ******** try to do irl... Plenty enough reality for me there dont wanna make it a whole points for suicide thing

I like that bit though, reducing spawn time depending on the amount of kills.

I agree.

Once again, my sincerest of apologies to anyone who may have taken my words to heart and found offense.

That was not my intention.

I was trying to find a way to show the success of the bomber player to the entire server...boosting the moral of his team....but lowering the moral of the opposing team.

It was not an attempt to make fun or light of ANY religion.
I sincerely apologize.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-01-31 03:30

Not a fan. If you're a good suicide bomber you should be willing to take the 1 minute respawn in order to help your team. If you're a crappy suicide bomber, well, you're probably not going to have to deal with any penalties, because you will be dead.

I also think that anyone who is suicide bombing is going to choose to go for the biggest, juiciest target they can find, so what's the problem?

RCMoonPie · Post by **RCMoonPie** » 2008-01-31 05:06

BloodBane611 wrote:Not a fan. If you're a good suicide bomber you should be willing to take the 1 minute respawn in order to help your team. If you're a crappy suicide bomber, well, you're probably not going to have to deal with any penalties, because you will be dead.

I also think that anyone who is suicide bombing is going to choose to go for the biggest, juiciest target they can find, so what's the problem?

Not a fan?
You are proving my point. As a suicide bomber you should not only be willing to take a 1 minute spawn.....but a 3 minute as well.
And if you are good.....you are rewarded with a less spawn time for your max kills.

Is an APC fully loaded with troops not juicy enough for you?