[Kit] Ch-ch-chaaanges!

Post by **Spec** » 2008-02-05 00:15

Now, the question is: is there a difference between the definition of "submachinegun" and "Maschinenpistole"? Maybe small carbines also count as Maschinenpistole for HK somehow. There is no "carbine" option, so maybe they had to chose between Rifle and SMG, and thought SMG would fit better? That code is pretty old

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Hooowever, doesnt matter at all

BetterDeadThanRed · Post by **BetterDeadThanRed** » 2008-02-05 02:54

KP wrote:*cough* P90 for MEC crewman *cough*

*Ahem*

P90 FOR MEC

/*Ahem*

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2008-02-05 02:59

Can Medic have M4A1 ?

HughJass · Post by **HughJass** » 2008-02-05 04:05

the crewmen are now 1337 ops, finally

GrayeKnight · Post by **GrayeKnight** » 2008-02-05 04:16

You amaze me.

Nice changes, btw

CptMichael · Post by **CptMichael** » 2008-02-05 09:19

now we need a L22 for the brits.

That one is the best british ever

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-02-05 11:20

[R-CON]Onil wrote:I think the CAR15 or the M733 would be more appropriate for the US crewman kit

Can Medic have M4A1 ?

Neither of these suggestions make any sense. At all.

The M733 (and the rest of its Colt Commando bretheren) were phased out of the US military in favor of the M4 series.

And medics arn't arbitrarily issued full auto carbines when the rest of the troops are carrying full sized, burst restircted assualt rifles.

KP · Post by KP » 2008-02-05 16:37

It must be said: I do love the HK53.

Hotrod525 · Post by **Hotrod525** » 2008-02-05 17:08

[R-MOD]Bob_Marley wrote:Neither of these suggestions make any sense. At all.

The M733 (and the rest of its Colt Commando bretheren) were phased out of the US military in favor of the M4 series.

And medics arn't arbitrarily issued full auto carbines when the rest of the troops are carrying full sized, burst restircted assualt rifles.

Dont the Medic have a shortest rifle due to Medic Pack he's carrying ? Ok it was may be not F.A. but i'm sure a medic whit all that stuff dont carry a long M16A4...I'm may be wrong, but i think it make sense.

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-02-05 23:13

Hotrod525 wrote:Dont the Medic have a shortest rifle due to Medic Pack he's carrying ? Ok it was may be not F.A. but i'm sure a medic whit all that stuff dont carry a long M16A4...I'm may be wrong, but i think it make sense.

Medics are issued standard issue rifles I'm sure.

If medic is to get anything it should be in the realms of healing capabilities/ making the healing system more realistic.

Don't be so eager to shove self-healing rambos in to the battle.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-05 23:14

Some VERY interesting changes, I can't wait to see how these pan out. The different track with the HAT kit is one I think I'll like.

Anyhow, Bob, in reference the HK53: Just because H&K marketed it as a submachine gun does not make it so. Many weapons experts (Ian Hogg for example) consider it a short assault rifle, as it really occupies a place in between the two. Rifle power in an SMG sized package, hence its popularity with units that need compact firepower.

MarineSeaknight · Post by **MarineSeaknight** » 2008-02-06 03:08

The change to H-AT is an interesting one. No doubt now the H-AT will be more comfortable to travel along with the rest of the squad with their new M16A4.

kilroy0097 · Post by **kilroy0097** » 2008-02-06 05:41

It's been really hard to find any information on the firearms that British tank crews use in modern day. I just can't find it anywhere. Are there any British military forums that someone could post on filled with current military personnel?

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-02-06 06:07

kilroy0097 wrote:It's been really hard to find any information on the firearms that British tank crews use in modern day. I just can't find it anywhere. Are there any British military forums that someone could post on filled with current military personnel?

It's the L22 carbine and has been discussed by our military advisors months ago. People seem to forget that we have an amazing panel of military advisors with combat experience. It's low priority at the moment.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2008-02-06 06:43

I think, a submachine gun would be better or a carbine like crewmen for the Heavy AT...assault rifle just sounds wrong...

Maxfragg · Post by **Maxfragg** » 2008-02-06 17:25

Spec_Operator wrote:Now, the question is: is there a difference between the definition of "submachinegun" and "Maschinenpistole"? Maybe small carbines also count as Maschinenpistole for HK somehow. There is no "carbine" option, so maybe they had to chose between Rifle and SMG, and thought SMG would fit better? That code is pretty old

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Hooowever, doesnt matter at all

HK really made a difference between carabines and their SMGs, simply the SMGs are more kompact, no matter if they use rifle or pistol ammunition. The HK Carabine with 5.56mm of this era would be a HK33KA1 (we germans write Karabiner for carabine)
-HK33 barrel length: 390 mm
-HK33KA1 barrel lenght: 322 mm
-HL53 barrel length: 211 mm

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-02-06 17:44

Outlawz wrote:I think, a submachine gun would be better or a carbine like crewmen for the Heavy AT...assault rifle just sounds wrong...

errmm vanilla?

In real life they would still carry their assault rifles. It's just that it would be carried in two seperate parts by two seperate soldiers whom would than have to set it up when a target is spotted.

This is why the arming/aquiring/tracking delay's are so harsh. Because we can't portray two soldiers having to set it up.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-02-06 19:26

So is the HK53 related to a MP5