Underbarrel Grenade Launchers

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-02-18 03:19

DeadboyUSMC wrote:How about the implementing the M-32 as a replacement for the M-203 for the Marines?

The Marines are not replacing their M203s with the M32. They're evaluating a new rifle squad organization, and there may be one M32 per squad; the fire-teams still have M203s.

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-02-18 05:11

I was under the impression that it was being fielded as a replacement, seeing that it lands more highly effective rounds on target, and the 203 is 30+ years old.

It is still in the evaluation phase, but having been there, done that, I'd take it over the 203 any day.

Salah ad Din · Post by **Salah ad Din** » 2008-02-18 06:46

Will the M-32 soldiers get a regular rifle? I don't think so, because they would have to carry a sh**tload of ammo to be useful. 'Cause I don't think 40mm on full auto is that good an idea. Maybe if you want to put down a REALLY large smokescreen or you're fighting a mob. But normally, I suppose a single, well placed grenade would be more effective. So with the M-32, you postpone the reloading to every six shots, but cannot shoot regular rifle rounds.

Not good IMHO.

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-02-18 06:51

It's just wishful thinking on my part.

The game mechanics as is are great. I just like seeing the Marines have the latest and greatest, having friends and family and having been one!

HughJass · Post by **HughJass** » 2008-02-18 23:45

DeadboyUSMC wrote:It's just wishful thinking on my part. The game mechanics as is are great. I just like seeing the Marines have the latest and greatest, having friends and family and having been one!

marines dont just throw stuff away, most of the marines equipment is +30 years olds and will be used until you can't tell what it is.

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-02-19 07:19

HughJass wrote:marines dont just throw stuff away, most of the marines equipment is +30 years olds and will be used until you can't tell what it is.

See that guy in his sig on the right side? That's him (DeadBoy), I'd think he'd know what he was talking about

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-02-19 07:31

HughJass wrote:marines dont just throw stuff away, most of the marines equipment is +30 years olds and will be used until you can't tell what it is.

I could have sworn my howitzer and 203 were only 5- 10 years old...

Post by **bosco_** » 2008-02-19 08:47

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-19 08:48

Ah, the reality smackdown. Always enjoyable.

ratlover232 · Post by **ratlover232** » 2008-02-19 10:21

Nice one dead

Smegburt_funkledink · Post by **Smegburt_funkledink** » 2008-02-19 23:59

I know what I'd rather take into battle...

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-02-20 00:34

Theres another rail on the bottom, loose the foregrip and put a '203 on there!

Or even better, another M32, and another, and another...

And now for my mandatory criticism of this "new" weapon and its purchacers, it was invented over 20 years ago in South Africa, and its Aparthied era origins (as well as those of the people who designed the MRAP series, the Mastiff, etc) seems to have been covered up.

What, our governments not proud of the fact that much of their "new" equipment was originally designed to keep one of the most racist regimes in history in business (despite the fact they were funding them to fight Cuban & SWAPO forces during the Angolan Border War). Or perhaps its that though the the technology was already there they felt that soldiers lives wernt valuable enough for them to swallow their pride and admit that what the SADF had come up with under sanctions was better than anything they had designed...

Blakeman · Post by **Blakeman** » 2008-02-20 02:50

My impression is that the M32 grenade launcher will be replacing the M203 as the M32 launches a completely different round than the 203. Yes they are still 40mm but it the M32 uses a longer round to implement other variants like the one with the parachute and camera. You also have to consider that the M32 is mostly plastic and weight is mostly in the grenades, thus not making it any heavier than the 203 it is replacing.

I could see a 0311 carrying his normal rifle plus the M32 loadout very easily.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-02-20 04:16

Blakeman wrote:My impression is that the M32 grenade launcher will be replacing the M203 as the M32 launches a completely different round than the 203. Yes they are still 40mm but it the M32 uses a longer round to implement other variants like the one with the parachute and camera.

The M32/Milkor 140 has a longer chamber to accommodate the newer less lethal, pyrotechnic and other utility rounds, but it still fires the NATO standard family of 40 x 46mm low velocity HE/HEDP rounds.

Blakeman wrote:I could see a 0311 carrying his normal rifle plus the M32 loadout very easily.

In the field trials I've read about that seems to be the practice. I'm sure it beats the M79 and M1911 combo that squad grenadiers had in Vietnam. Still don't know for sure where it will be in the squad organization; proposed new squad is 12 men, with two standard fire teams, the squad leader and three other troops, I guess among them the M32 grenadier and SAM/SDM.

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-02-20 17:04

[R-MOD]Bob_Marley wrote:Theres another rail on the bottom, loose the foregrip and put a '203 on there!

Or even better, another M32, and another, and another...

And now for my mandatory criticism of this "new" weapon and its purchacers, it was invented over 20 years ago in South Africa, and its Aparthied era origins (as well as those of the people who designed the MRAP series, the Mastiff, etc) seems to have been covered up.

What, our governments not proud of the fact that much of their "new" equipment was originally designed to keep one of the most racist regimes in history in business (despite the fact they were funding them to fight Cuban & SWAPO forces during the Angolan Border War). Or perhaps its that though the the technology was already there they felt that soldiers lives wernt valuable enough for them to swallow their pride and admit that what the SADF had come up with under sanctions was better than anything they had designed...

Hey man, don't blame the weapon. Grenade launchers don't kill people (well...), people kill people.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-02-20 21:05

DeadboyUSMC wrote:Hey man, don't blame the weapon. Grenade launchers don't kill people (well...), people kill people.

I don't blame the weapon, I blame the Government, the companies and the marketing. I don't deny that the MGL is a fine weapon that stands to substantially increase the firepower of any infantry section that get to use it. its the whole thing that surrounds it. Its being hailed as a brand new American weapon when in truth its been kicking about for more than 2 decades and was in use in nations considered part of the Third World for a very long time.

Its like the HK416. Taking something that works and is well known then dressing it up as something thats brand new, made of unobtainium and powered by black magic...

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-02-20 21:11

Well, the manufacturers have to be able to sell their wares somehow.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-21 05:06

The problem is the gun industry, especially in America, is all about hype. Not a whole lot of innovation, just a lot of advertising and sexy ladies.