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Darktrooper
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Commander Zoom

Post by Darktrooper »

Hey all here! I've been reading this forum for month but never took time to register ... Now that's done ;)

I was wondering if there was a way to give the commander a third zoom level on his command panel... Of course, I don't want a zoom such as the unrealistic vanilla satellite view, but only a third level similar to the m-map one.

This would only let commanders be more precise when giving their orders, and seems really important to me on such big maps as Kashan where ordering with precision to place a firebase on the map is almost impossible, or in case of "micro-management", for instance when we're trying to give squad orders like "take that house while Bravo move along that wall" ...

Is this could be done ? Thanks devs !
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Post by Tartantyco »

-I concur.
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Post by Michael_Denmark »

No Zoom again please, it only lowers the process of getting people to teamwork in the long run anyway.
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Post by OkitaMakoto »

I dont think its up to the commander to tell Bravo to move up against a certain wall. Itd be more like go here,take this house. Do whats best on the field.

The commander isnt gonna uber-micro his troops like star craft.
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Post by HughJass »

it still is very annoying when you zoom in, i would like this to be done still.
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Post by Rudd »

Would be good for the 32 maps
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Post by Michael_Denmark »

Zoom is only downing teamwork. Not a thing i am stating to be against the suggestion, but because i know it from game experience. VOIP Communication is actually the key. Zoom is a distraction from VOIP communication. Especially when a battle goes fast.
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Post by Tartantyco »

Michael_Denmark wrote:Zoom is only downing teamwork. Not a thing i am stating to be against the suggestion, but because i know it from game experience. VOIP Communication is actually the key. Zoom is a distraction from VOIP communication. Especially when a battle goes fast.
-I play as commander a lot and I'm telling you, we need that last zoom. You have it on the 'M' map anyway. It's hard to pinpoint exact locations for when you're building assets, makes it harder to relay exact information and the 'snow' that happens when you inadvertently go down to the last zoom level is extremely annoying. Just this last game I played I got at least 10 requests to place my marker at a more exact spot, something I could not do because I don't have a good enough zoom level. I just want the zoom levels available on the M map and SL CAPS map.
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Post by AnRK »

Yeah It's kinda annoying when you need to see specific things like how many supply trucks are at a flag etc, sometimes you can't see some vehicles on the map unless your fully zoomed.

It's not a matter of needing to micro-manage everything, just having a better idea of specifics.
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Post by kilroy0097 »

The number one reason to have that third zoom as a commander is for building assets. When I want a squad to build an asset at a particular location due to my experience in the game then I want them to place it exactly there. Not in some other direction by 50m. As a commander this is the most frustrating. Not all SL know the best location through experience to place commander assets especially but not limited to bunkers/fire bases. Sometimes they place them in the most ridiculous locations.

I leave it up to the SL to determine tactically how to take a CP or defend a location or whatever but when it comes to "Strategic" construction of "Commander Assets" I expect that my directions as a commander to be followed to a specific location. Commander Assets are truly Strategic.
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Post by Tartantyco »

kilroy0097 wrote:The number one reason to have that third zoom as a commander is for building assets. When I want a squad to build an asset at a particular location due to my experience in the game then I want them to place it exactly there. Not in some other direction by 50m. As a commander this is the most frustrating. Not all SL know the best location through experience to place commander assets especially but not limited to bunkers/fire bases. Sometimes they place them in the most ridiculous locations.

I leave it up to the SL to determine tactically how to take a CP or defend a location or whatever but when it comes to "Strategic" construction of "Commander Assets" I expect that my directions as a commander to be followed to a specific location. Commander Assets are truly Strategic.
-My experience is that SLs rarely have a clue as to how to even place assets, I can't tell you how many times I've had to drive across the map to set up a firebase because the SLs only know how to request build orders...
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Post by Darktrooper »

Michael_Denmark wrote:No Zoom again please, it only lowers the process of getting people to teamwork in the long run anyway.
Hello Michael. I'm sorry but i really do not understand how an increased zoom on the map can "down teamwork" ? From my own experience as commander and SL (far from perfect of course, but i've spent more than a few hours in both roles...), i've never found any situation where a better zoom would have had a negative effect...

More precise orders --> better coordination between squads --> more teamwork

Where does my logic fail?

Michael_Denmark wrote:Zoom is only downing teamwork. Not a thing i am stating to be against the suggestion, but because i know it from game experience. VOIP Communication is actually the key. Zoom is a distraction from VOIP communication. Especially when a battle goes fast.
I agree with you on that point, "VOIP is the key". But orders don’t take place of VOIP, and vice-versa. They're good complements . Most of the time, i give an order and "comment" it by VOIP, or explain with details what I want, why, and which support does the squad have. I don't think we can get rid of orders. In every situation, squad leader is gonna place a move marker on the map to guide his squad better, and keep them the objective in mind.

Moreover, a more precise order coming from commander means the SL will not have to replace it. You said : "Especially when a battle goes fast" : But I already give my orders, and the lack of zoom only make me spend more time doing it. IMO, a better zoom only make things go faster.

Thirdly, as you must have noted, English isn't my native language and i've still problems using it with VOIP. So, i try doing it, but orders only makes things a bit more understandable... and more precise orders would make things much more understandable ;)

[R-CON]OkitaMakoto wrote:I dont think its up to the commander to tell Bravo to move up against a certain wall. Itd be more like go here,take this house. Do whats best on the field.
I also agree with you, Commander's role isn't to micro his troops. But, and i insist in, they are occasions where doing it is efficient. Of course, that doesn’t happen often, first of all because microing means not looking the rest of the battlefield.

However, in the following situation i miss a better zoom for "microing" :
- of course, as Tartantyco reported, when placing assets. Often, especially when the commander doesn’t know the map (Kashan ?) perfectly, it's SL's job to find the most appropriate location. But in urban situation, commander may want a bunker on an exact location.
- when attacking enemy’s last base, given that i don't have to watch the battlefield anymore, i may concentrate on that last attack and want to tell squads the exact locations they have to move to.
- i acknowledge that the order "move along that wall" would not come from commander. However, telling "take and defend that house" is sometimes impossible due to the lack of zoom, or at least needs more times pointing the exact location as if we were adjusting our sniper shot. Through, that kind of orders is often given by commanders, or should be.

As everybody knows, due to no VOIP between them, squads suffer a lack of coordination while moving together. And in case of two squads moving together toward an objective, microing them can be a good and efficient idea. At least by reporting to Bravo what Alpha spotted, and then a move marker is far more efficient than a long speech...
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Post by OkitaMakoto »

I agree you need some exactness in placing the bunkers firebases, etc. But microing troops is not a good idea. :)
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Post by Tartantyco »

[R-CON]OkitaMakoto wrote:I agree you need some exactness in placing the bunkers firebases, etc. But microing troops is not a good idea. :)
-I don't think there's much risk of that. I could understand it if we had the old sat where you saw people running around, but a closer zoom level isn't going to make Commanders start giving more orders, we've got more than enough to do already. We'll just be able to relay our orders with more precision, cutting down on VOIP chatter as well(A lot of that going on when building assets).
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Post by OkitaMakoto »

I meant microing troops as in saying "Go against this wall, now go here, ok, cross the road here" is a bad idea.

Which I'm sure many agree, especially when you have 5 squads :)

Im all for the commander zoom to make it easier for placing build orders, etc, dont get me wrong on that.
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Post by BloodBane611 »

-My experience is that SLs rarely have a clue as to how to even place assets, I can't tell you how many times I've had to drive across the map to set up a firebase because the SLs only know how to request build orders...
This is so true. I've played as commander and tried to explain to SLs how to place assets, and they just don't get it.
I meant microing troops as in saying "Go against this wall, now go here, ok, cross the road here" is a bad idea.

Which I'm sure many agree, especially when you have 5 squads

Im all for the commander zoom to make it easier for placing build orders, etc, dont get me wrong on that.
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BloodBane611 wrote:Agreed
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