Planes with carpet bombs

[terenz]

Id like to see planes with larger but limited bombs, my own desire, a carpet bomb.

You added the JDAM which is lovely, but id like to see a plane having to execute a such bomb. Ofcourse this can be done in so many ways, like making the commander able to equip a plane with a certain airstrike if requested.

Another wish of my own is also to see other bombs than regular strikes, like phosphor or carpet bombs, cus it has a certain cool-factor, eventhough phosphor is cruel as hell. And who ever made napalm eligal, shame on you!

Probably yet another not-fitting or not-executable suggestion, but id still like to try, if it doesnt bother you too much

-terenz.

[Masaq]

No such thing as a carpet bomb. Carpet bombing is the act of dropping very large numbers of unguided dumb/iron bombs, in order to completely flatten a target area. German raids on London, and the Allied strikes over most major German cities in WW2 were carpet bombing.

Cluster bombs - that break up after release and scatter smaller bomblets over a target area - are doable with the game engine, but (and I can't quite remember exactly) either they don't work online on dedicated servers at all or they cause massive amounts of lag.

As for phosphorous, well. Contraversy reigns there as to whether or not it's legal to use as a direct muntion as opposed to target designation or concealment uses.

Naplam... made illegal because it was a truly horrific weapon. I suggest you google for some images of napalm-induced wounds, if you think it's got a "cool factor".

[BloodBane611]

A larger bomber just wouldn't fit into PR very well. Easily shot down, and not enough space to work in.

[Rudd]

Carpet bombing isn't a tactical weapon? I think squads would call in pinpoint accurate strikes on targets, like an A10 strike since smaller aircraft can be gotten to the contact site quickly.

Napalm is horrible stuff, and phosphorous is horrible too not sure why you'd think its cool. Petrol bombs are bad enough.

[Symplify]

Phosphorus gets into and under the skin and burns, you have to cut off the skin to stop it. Could be interesting to see a phosphorus grenade for the Spec Ops kit, it would be a demoralizing and fairly effective weapon.

[Zimmer]

YouTube - F16 dropped cbu_87 clusterbomb for BF2 Is this what you are looking for?

[Rudd]

Phosphorus gets into and under the skin and burns, you have to cut off the skin to stop it. Could be interesting to see a phosphorus grenade for the Spec Ops kit, it would be a demoralizing and fairly effective weapon.

Horrible weapon

Copper sulphate helps?

[terenz]

Rereading my post i can see why you might get the wrong idea of me, im no evil person. Scientificly i think that these bombs have a cool-factor, gamingwise i think these bombs have a cool-factor. I have seen napalm/phosphor victims, i know what they do to you and im no fan, no. But im one of those who can completely ignore the evil things in these weapons and have fun in the game and i dont believe that makes me an evil person at all Now you might think i have to swallow my pride, but the reason im writing this much is because from what i read, you might think of me as "evil" or ignorant, but this is a forum i intend to get active on and i dont want this to compromise.

Going back to the suggestion: I agree that carpet bombing might be a slight over-do, but i still think clusterbombs could do the trick.

Edit: Zimmer: Yup that was what i meant. When i thought of carpet bombing, i thought of an area only slightly larger than whats bombed here, so i guess that cluster bombs was what i was looking for ultimately

[SuperTimo]

I would like to see somthing differnt as a JDAM equivilent for the Chinese and MEC forces as i dont belive they have aircraft capable for this type of guided attack. The chinese have some copies of russian bombers (such as the badger which is desiganated the Xian H-61V) and the MEC as i assume has similar russian bomers such as badgers, possibly backfires, and blinders. However i dont beleive that such aircraft can carry presicion bombs. they can carry a large amount of bombs how ever so i rekon that an area attack with a large number of dumb bombs may work (not total carpet Bombing).

This is me assuming that the JDAM is dropped by a large bomber as i belive that someone with the knowlage said the ingame USA JDAM is supposed to be dropped by a B-2 Spirit.

[Tef]

Napalm was actually created for ww2 bat-bombs, they strapped little incedary bombs to bats made the bats hibernate then drop the bats in special cases in the weee hours, the bats would come out of hibernation roost in the rafters of japanese houses (made of wood and other burny thing. The creator tried to test it in texas (where they where making the bat bombs) before they where to be deployed and the bombs burned down the test buildings.

EDIT: The book I read it from either lied or I read it wrong napalm was not created for the sole reason to fuel the bat-bombs but rather the creator of napalm made a special type of napalm for the bombs. Here is the wikipedia article

[Bob_Marley]

I would like to see somthing differnt as a JDAM equivilent for the Chinese and MEC forces as i dont belive they have aircraft capable for this type of guided attack. The chinese have some copies of russian bombers (such as the badger which is desiganated the Xian H-61V) and the MEC as i assume has similar russian bomers such as badgers, possibly backfires, and blinders. However i dont beleive that such aircraft can carry presicion bombs. they can carry a large amount of bombs how ever so i rekon that an area attack with a large number of dumb bombs may work (not total carpet Bombing).

This is me assuming that the JDAM is dropped by a large bomber as i belive that someone with the knowlage said the ingame USA JDAM is supposed to be dropped by a B-2 Spirit.

1. Russian made, chinese used 1500kg guided bomb

Chinese made 500kg guided bomb, part of a family intended to be equivelant to the US JDAM kit

3. JDAM - a kit to make a dumb bomb smart that can be used on many US made dumb bombs, and fitted to practically all ground attack & multi-role aicraft in the US inventory

Naplam... made illegal because it was a truly horrific weapon. I suggest you google for some images of napalm-induced wounds, if you think it's got a "cool factor".

Napalm is restricted in use by the Incendiary weapons treaty, and only then it is restricted from being used on areas of civilian concerntration. Also note that Neither China nor the US are signatory to this treaty. The MEC is fictional, and I can't remember if the UK is or not.

Protocol III - Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons

"Napalm" is no longer used by the US military due to its negative connotations, the currently deployed weapon is the Mk.77 Firebomb.

Carpet bombing is a massive waste of resources in comparison to precision bombing and no modern, professional military would likely use it. The closest one would come to it is probably cluster bombs. All military forces currently represtented in PR with airforces have the capability of delivering precision guided munitions and at least one (the UK) no longer has the means to "carpet bomb" a target. (The last true British bombers were retired in the 1980s, now it uses multi-role aircraft in the ground attack role).

The use of WP as a direct weapon is debatable at best and utterly illegal at worst. WP is sometimes used offensivly as a double effect weapon (where the user has the stated intention of using it for, say, illumination, so when it happens to land of a bunch of enemy troops its written off as accidental). As there is currently no real need for illumination, its not really a good idea.

And personally I don't support the use of such horrific weapons.

In addition, locked for resuggestion. These have all come up multiple times before. Search all possible variants of what you are suggesting and read through the already suggested suggestions sticky before starting a new thread.

That is all.

[Masaq]

Edit: Damnit Bob, you beat me to it!

I would like to see somthing differnt as a JDAM equivilent for the Chinese and MEC forces as i dont belive they have aircraft capable for this type of guided attack. The chinese have some copies of russian bombers (such as the badger which is desiganated the Xian H-61V) and the MEC as i assume has similar russian bomers such as badgers, possibly backfires, and blinders. However i dont beleive that such aircraft can carry presicion bombs. they can carry a large amount of bombs how ever so i rekon that an area attack with a large number of dumb bombs may work (not total carpet Bombing).

This is me assuming that the JDAM is dropped by a large bomber as i belive that someone with the knowlage said the ingame USA JDAM is supposed to be dropped by a B-2 Spirit.

Wrong, I'm afraid. The wonderful thing about JDAM is that the guidance package can be attached to a bunch of dirt-cheap, bog-standard iron bombs.

The Mk-82 500lb, Mk-83 1,000lb bomb and the Mk-84 2,000lb bombs are in massive and cheap supply. If you need a guided muntion, you simply strap the JDAM (metaphorically, it's a bit more complicated than that) onto the back of the standard Mk82/3/4, load in the mission profile and target co-ordinates and away you go.

As such, JDAM can be employed from any US (or allied nation sharing access to JDAM) aircraft that can carry the Mk82, 83 or 84. Which is pretty much most of the aircraft in the USAF/USN inventories - B-52, B-1, B2, F-22, F-16, F-15E, F-117, F-14 A/B/D, F/A-18C/D, F/A-18E/F, AV-8B, P-3, S-3.

If you're interested in the development of the JDAM - Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) GBU-31 - Smart Weapons
GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM)
Factsheets : Joint Direct Attack Munition GBU- 31/32/38 : Joint Direct Attack Munition GBU- 31/32/38


China are developing their own GPS system, and given that MEC don't exist in reality we can suppose that the fictional coalition have developed a fictional and independent GPS system or are using China's. It's not so unfeasible - there's a European network being built (to avoid the 10m random deviation all non-US and civillian client systems receive), and once any network is up then the actual guidance system itself is very basic indeed. The hard part is getting the satellite system in place; the European Space Agency and Chinese military are both capable of doing that.