[Weapon] SA80 Bayonet [WIP]

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-24 16:34

Harrod200 wrote:Still, a bayonet on a bullpup rifle isn't incredibly efficient, though I am mindful they have been used before.

The sole advantage IMO of a long rifle over bullpup.

hehe, thats true now thinking about it thou this bayonet is used alot in Afghanistan afaik

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-24 21:25

cplgangster wrote:can i just ask why it would not be efficiant on a bullpup rifle?

bullpup rifles = overall shorter length as the barrel is still the same length, but the barrel is more in the main body of the rifle since the mag feed is at the back.

with a normal rifle, the mag feed is in the middle, which means to have the same length barrel you need to have a rifle with a overall much longer length.

now this causes problems like not being able to use the weapon as effectively in tight spaces, but one advantage over a bullpup design as pointed out due to the overall longer length, you have a longer reach with your bayonet which you dont have with a bullpup.

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-03-24 22:39

Expendable Grunt wrote:Because you don't...you really don't. Here, go to this forum:

Sword Forum International | swordforum.com

Go to their knives section. Ask. Then realized I saved you some effort.

Trying to argue with Combat Veteran with experience with knives is like arguing with an NBA star on how to play basketball, when all you play is soccer. You just don't....

Anyways, can we melee AND shoot with the bayonet attached?

Post by **Thermis** » 2008-03-24 22:44

NYgurkha wrote:is that a Nazi with a AK? I think we have a time paradox!

If its not a stage photo, then the German has the modern German flag on his arm which would make him Bundeswehr but the uniform itself look to be more cold war east German. The helmet looks like WWII German but I don't recognize the symbol. The AK would play along to an eastern German soldier. Thats all i got.. but he's not a Nazi.

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2008-03-24 23:13

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;637218']hehe, thats true now thinking about it thou this bayonet is used alot in Afghanistan afaik[/quote]

I have heard several stories of troops operating with fixed bayonets, and using them...

[quote="ReaperMAC""]Anyways, can we melee AND shoot with the bayonet attached?

[/quote]

Are you just trying to bait him now?

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-03-24 23:37

Harrod200 wrote:Are you just trying to bait him now?

Well... if it's just for looks, waste of time IMO

Post by **Z-trooper** » 2008-03-25 00:11

Good job Rhino

some new gear to catch some civilians wiht.
Been following it on GA.

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-25 11:09

ReaperMAC wrote:Well... if it's just for looks, waste of time IMO

as I posted in my first post, this will only be used as a combat knife, not as a bayonet unless we have a bunch of animators joining the team

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-03-25 11:33

ReaperMAC wrote:Trying to argue with Combat Veteran with experience with knives is like arguing with an NBA star on how to play basketball, when all you play is soccer. You just don't....

Yet, I know what I'm talking about. It's vestigial on all modern knives. Combat vet or not, it's simple.

Hopefully in the future we'll see this for the UK faction in-game. By far the most unique looking bayonet I've seen so far.

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-25 11:41

Expendable Grunt wrote:Hopefully in the future we'll see this for the UK faction in-game. By far the most unique looking bayonet I've seen so far.

I wouldn't post it here if it wasn't going into PR...

Pariel · Post by **Pariel** » 2008-03-25 14:23

Expendable Grunt wrote:Yet, I know what I'm talking about. It's vestigial on all modern knives. Combat vet or not, it's simple.

You win the ignorance award of the day. Congratulations.

Great job on the knife, Rhino.

Do you, by chance, know if the discussed-but-not-currently-implemented bayonet function would have to be a separate weapon, or a separate fire on the standard weapon slot?

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-25 14:28

Pariel wrote:Do you, by chance, know if the discussed-but-not-currently-implemented bayonet function would have to be a separate weapon, or a separate fire on the standard weapon slot?

if it was done it would have to be a separate weapon, much like the GL on grenadier kits.

if you would be able to fire bullets from the bayonet fixed version I dunno if thats possible with also a stab function, but if it was possible you wouldn't be able to use your sights I can tell you that much

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-03-25 20:58

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:I wouldn't post it here if it wasn't going into PR...

I most obviously meant for the next version

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ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-03-25 21:01

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:i
if you would be able to fire bullets from the bayonet fixed version I dunno if thats possible with also a stab function, but if it was possible you wouldn't be able to use your sights I can tell you that much

I would assume the stabbing with the bayonet fixed would require animators, something the PR team is needing. But if you can do it, DO IT

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Post by **Thermis** » 2008-03-25 22:29

To end the argument between Expendable Grunt and Rico11b, you are basically both right. The "Blood Groove" on early swords was not meant to let blood out but lessen the weight of the sword without compromising strength. This feature has become vestigial on many common knives.
When a knife is stabbed into a person the wound created can interfere with the weapons removal. It can get stuck in bone for example. But the human body is not a vacuum there is not an immense suction effect that has to be compensated for. If the human body was a vacuum, the immense pressure differential would cause us to implode. When stabbed your organs for the most part will not cave in on each other unless a significant wound has been made in the abdominal wall. And then they will all fall out.
However with the blood and skin there could be small amount of suction. This is often fixed by how, at least in the US, we are taught to use our bayonets. You turn the blade once inserted to develop the wound causing more damage and opening enough skin to negate any suction effect.
And yes, I have been and done that, got the T-shirt too. I serve as a medical technician, I've pulled shrapnel out of people, there isn't a massive suction effect.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2008-03-25 23:15

You know what... I'm gonna just go ahead and agree with everything you said. Well most everything anyway

Lol.

And let me say this... I can't believe, I allowed myself to get "sucked" into a crappy (not to mention disgusting) topic like this one. Arguing over worthless **** like this, is kinda like running in the Special Olympics. Even if I win I am still retarded. No offense intended.

R

Polka · Post by **Polka** » 2008-03-26 12:39

Didnt notice this until now. Nice.

G.Drew · Post by **G.Drew** » 2008-03-26 16:15

On the subject earlier on the 'bullpu/shorter length/bayonet' argument:

if u cant stab 'em, shoot 'em