this is a threat to think about...body armour

~XHW~Flamestorm · Post by **~XHW~Flamestorm** » 2008-03-28 20:29

ok guys,
i think most of you heard about the dragon skin, if not look at this:
YouTube - Future weapons: Dragon Skin (amazing body armour!)
is it possible to bring it in the game. you now there are some freaking videos i saw about soldiers like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jXMjh_XbkiI&feature=related
and this makes me belief it would change the gameplay a lot, cause the bodyzone cant get damaged by rifles or pistols, may a hmmv would shoot a soldier down.
i mean at last there should only legs arms and head as hitzone/hitbox, if its possible.
it would change the gameplay. caus if now ingame a soldier is shot in chest he is defintly dead and can get revive, is this real? i think no.
and if you heavy wounded and the seconds count it mean your heavy wounded and not was shot in the lungs and get revived from a medic.
i hope you can understand what i mean i know i am very very bad in english sry for that. i only want to think about it cause i dont think that the us army would send troops in battle and now they will loose 300 man for one city! yeah i stop now so please think about it.

greetings Flamestorm

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2008-03-28 21:10

no.
Current body armor system is a lot better than having 64 invulnerable terminators running around the map.

Stealthslayer · Post by **Stealthslayer** » 2008-03-28 21:17

I agree Invulnerability can break any game. using certain hit zones are very complicated to construct as well as the use of damage ratio.

Post by **Spec** » 2008-03-28 21:29

when being hit so many times, i think even if the body armour doesnt fail, the body would. That should be really painful, so much energy on one little point.

But even if not, i'd be indeed hating terminator-battle. And what if i shoot at the body armour from downstairs from example? These plates look like they could be penetrated from angles.

~XHW~Flamestorm · Post by **~XHW~Flamestorm** » 2008-03-28 22:09

i didnt talked about a terminator-.- i talked about body armour and no one would be invulnerable only wearing amourbody. i was talking about reality and that is the name of the game?

Post by **Rudd** » 2008-03-28 22:12

Have you seen damage detection in bf2? its all the body armour you'll ever need.

mammikoura · Post by **mammikoura** » 2008-03-28 23:06

~XHW~Flamestorm wrote:invulnerable only wearing amourbody. i was talking about reality and that is the name of the game?

I highly doubt that the dragon skin makes people invulnerable.

Post by **bosco_** » 2008-03-28 23:13

~XHW~Flamestorm wrote: YouTube - Future weapons: Dragon Skin (amazing body armour!)

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[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2008-03-28 23:27

Too bad... just like some of the better new rifles out there, the U.S Army & Marines don't feel the Dragon Skin body armor is good enough... despite the fact that some generals, many contractors, bodyguards, special forces and the like use the dragon skin (Blame the lobbyist!).

markonymous · Post by **markonymous** » 2008-03-29 07:29

dont worry the new handheld railguns will come any time now. With muzzlevelocity of about 2000m/s ca 6000 f/s its gonna rip through dragonskin like it wasnt even there.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » 2008-03-29 10:13

~XHW~Flamestorm wrote: i was talking about reality and that is the name of the game?

Find me a pic of a soldier serving in any nations Armed Forces wearing Dragonskin and i'll give you a cookie.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-03-29 10:53

Morgan wrote:Find me a pic of a soldier serving in any nations Armed Forces wearing Dragonskin and i'll give you a cookie.

Is that offer open to others?

Post by **bosco_** » 2008-03-29 11:06

Nice one!

LtSoucy · Post by **LtSoucy** » 2008-03-29 11:24

lol, Ya DragonSkin is a future Armor(As Bosco said) The US Army I think said it should be released in the next 5-10 years. If its not on the combat fields of today, serving American and other countries soldiers it serves no real purpose in the Project Reality Mod.

~XHW~Flamestorm · Post by **~XHW~Flamestorm** » 2008-03-29 14:21

if you saw the videos about dragon skin it was in the media in 2006 and pentagon banned it in march it it "should" be tested in may but there was no test and then guys of media tested it at the beschussamt in germany! and dragon skin was better! so this is a bad for the guys which died in afghanistan or iraq. as notice to all IT IS BETTER.

the army was telling lies to the soldiers. and i think much forces will change in a short while to dragon skin. ok may the germans not they even havnt. the warning system no money-.-
@mikourva?! quote the whole sentence beside you should read it whole not only pieces

[T]Terranova7 · Post by **[T]Terranova7** » 2008-03-29 14:36

LtSoucy wrote:lol, Ya DragonSkin is a future Armor(As Bosco said) The US Army I think said it should be released in the next 5-10 years. If its not on the combat fields of today, serving American and other countries soldiers it serves no real purpose in the Project Reality Mod.

Actually... Dragon SKin may never be used because it was already banned. There's some controversy over it though...

Snippet from wiki

Dragon Skin body armor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Army Testing Controversy and Comparison with Interceptor body armor

The Dragon Skin became the subject of controversy with the U.S. Army [14] over testing it against its Interceptor body armor. The Army claimed Pinnacle's body armor was not proven to be effective and that some failed an Air Force test and were recalled.
Pinnacle Armor put out a press release stating that Dragon Skin "did not fail any written contract specifications with the Air Force" although it admitted they did "return the vests to Pinnacle following testing ... to address a manufacturing issue, but that issue did not affect the vests' performance during testing."[15] Defense Review said they saw the test results and that they exceeded that of the Army's Interceptor vest.[16] The Pentagon said the test results are classified and neither side could agree to terms on another, more comprehensive test. The Army wanted to hold and inspect the vests for 1-2 weeks before shooting at them, and Pinnacle wanted them shot at right away from out of the box because they said they feared the Army tampering with them in order to save their currently cheaper body armor program.

On May 19, 2006 it was announced that the dispute had been resolved and the vests were going to be retested again by the Army to clear the dispute.[17] On May 20, 2006 it was announced by the Washington Post (and other newspapers) in an article titled "Potential Advance in Body Armor Fails Tests"[18] that the Dragon Skin vests had failed the retest according to their anonymous source — an assertion that Pinnacle Armor would not comment on for at least a month afterwards.

On June 6, 2006 in comments posted on an online discussion forum, Karl Masters, director of engineering for Program Manager - Soldier Equipment, said he recently supervised the retest and commented on it. "I was recently tasked by the army to conduct the test of the 30 Dragon Skin SOV-3000 level IV body armor purchased for T&E [tests and evaluation]," Masters wrote. "My day job is acting product manager for Interceptor Body Armor. I'm under a gag order until the test results make it up the chain. I will, however, offer an enlightened and informed recommendation to anyone considering purchasing an SOV-3000 Dragon Skin - don't. I do not recommend this design for use in an AOR with a 7.62x54R AP threat and an ambient temperature that could range to 120F. I do, however, highly recommend this system for use by insurgents..."[19]

In response to these claims, Pinnacle Armor released a press release on June 30, 2006 as an official response to Karl Master's comments, saying the testing was biased, not conducted professionally, that the testing is still unfinished, and the vests did not fail.[20] Official results of these tests are classified.

According to the Army, the vests failed because the ambient temperature tests caused the discs to dislodge, thus rendering the vest ineffective. Pinnacle Armor affirms that their products can withstand environmental tests in accordance with military standards, as does testing by the Aberdeen Test Center.[21]

In response to claims made by several US Senators, Dragon Skin and special interest groups, on Monday, May 21, 2007, the Army held a press conference where they released the test results that the Army says shows that Dragon Skin failed the Army's testing standards and that the current Interceptor body armor is the best available in the Army's opinion.[22][23][24][25]

While calling the failure of his vest to stop a round on the second shot of the Army test a "once in a while" occurrence, the Pinnacle Armor CEO denied Army claims that a dozen more rounds penetrated his Dragon Skin vests. He argued x-ray photos of one vest the Army claims failed showed the Dragon Skin disks had stopped the round. "The bullet did not go through the armor," Neal said flatly. Army officials responded by showing lawmakers a video clip of Neal inspecting the same vest after a test shot, watching engineers dig the penetrating round out of ballistic clay backing. "Are you telling me if you were wearing this vest ... and that round hit you in the chest, would that have killed you or not?" a skeptical Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) asked Pinnacle CEO Murray Neal. "No," he replied.[13]

Army Rejects Dragon Body Armor
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KTrTrsJu3pk[/youtube]