Another MEC tank.

[Liquid_Cow]

they use most of the outated tanks as suport , or defences , while the modern ones are in first line .

Old Soviet doctrine was to keep outdated tanks and use them as self propelled pill boxes. Saddam liked that mode of use, but Apachies and A-10's also liked that mode, they tend to be partly buried, so they can't move out quickly.



charliegrs, carefull or you'll open another can of worms with comments like that, the Ottomans were Turks, which are neither Arabs or Persians.

[Masaq]

actualy , make sense (not the ignorant part), lot of nations have few modern tanks and tons of "outated tanks" , PLA by example, have around 100-200 ztz99s , and 400 ztz96s .

they use most of the outated tanks as suport , or defences , while the modern ones are in first line .

Sinodefence.com says THIS about the Type96:

The ZTZ96 (also known as Type 96 or Type 88C) is the second-generation main battle tank (MBT) in service with the PLA. The tank was developed from the Type 85-IIM/III series introduced in the 1990s for the export market. The PLA had received over 1,500 examples of the ZTZ96 by 2005. Production continued until 2005~06 when it was superseded by the ZTZ96G featuring improved fire-control and armour package. The ZTZ96G is believed to be approaching the ZTZ99 in terms of firepower, armour, and fire-control. A report by Jane’s Defence Weekly in 2006 suggested that Thailand may be interested in acquiring the Type 96G (or an improved model).

Around 3 times what you suggest they currently possess - and not much behind the Type 99 in many areas.

[gclark03]

Not everything made in China is rubbish after all.

I'd love to see a Chinese export in the game, just as a change of pace from the cookie-cutter Soviet-issue gear we see in every other game. The HK weapons were done very well to change that gaming stereotype, but the vehicles are the final step to destroying that stereotype.

[GeZe]

Only to India (producing under license) and to Algeria (ordered from RF, but not all received).

(from Algeria Army thread at MP.net)

T-80s have always made more sense to me for an ME force than export version T-90s.

But no current Middle East Army has T-80s... (I don't consider Pakistan part of the ME, nor do most definitions of the ME)


If you really want to go for it, Egypt has 755 M1 Abrams, Kuwait has 218, Suadi Arabia has 315. (IISS Military Balance 2006) Abrams for MEC?

[DeltaFart]

Are they M1s or M1A1s?
Though of something why fight us toe to toe? Noone could win
ALl they have to do is keep US from getting oil, than we're screwed!

[GeZe]

Are they M1s or M1A1s?
Though of something why fight us toe to toe? Noone could win
ALl they have to do is keep US from getting oil, than we're screwed!

Between the 3 countries it's a mix between M1A1s and M1A2s so I just said M1.

Egypt is M1-A1s, Suadi Arabia and Kuwait M1-A2s.

[DeltaFart]

hmm ok, wasnt sure if they had recieved the latest design or just had old ones quickly sent over due to PG

[AnRK]

According to the wiki the OP cited there isn't even that many in the middle east anyway. Isn't there anything a little more battle worthy being reverse engineered in the area?

[CDN-SMOKEJUMPER]

By who? There is a reason why no one sells them the best of what we have other than the French.

[Eddie Baker]

But no current Middle East Army has T-80s... (I don't consider Pakistan part of the ME, nor do most definitions of the ME)

Nope, Pakistan is Central Asia and the next closest is Cyprus. But they are still manufactured by the Ukraine for export (mostly to Pakistan, but others), and Russia has about 5,000 they could potentially sell. That's why I listed upgraded T-72s first.

Also, if you were trying to be pedantic with the the Algerian photos, I said not all had been delivered.

If you really want to go for it, Egypt has 755 M1 Abrams, Kuwait has 218, Suadi Arabia has 315. (IISS Military Balance 2006) Abrams for MEC?

Nope. Have enough "clone balancing" in the game as it is without giving different factions the exact same models.

[CDN-SMOKEJUMPER]

What about a mix of tanks for the MEC? If it's not too much work as it would be a pretty realistic approach.

The tanks would be older and maybe not as good but give them two for every one coalition tank?

[Ragni<RangersPL>]

Modeling, texturing and coding takes a lot of work and time...

New toys are always "cool"... but is it really worth it to create a new tank just because it looks different than the old one?

[DeltaFart]

not necessary to model and texture, there are a ton of vehicles taht you can use from other mods already, USI, PoE, OPK, a whole bunch, just matters what strings you pull

[Expendable Grunt]

Personally I'd like to see a more realistic T-62 first. T-90's are neat :>

[Zimmer]

YOu know what pisses me alittle of its always teh gb and usmc who is getting all the goodies why cant mec and pla get some to?

NOthing against the devs, but every suggestion is like omfg I saw this new weapon cant usmc get it or the uk forces. ANd every new veihcle set in PR is actualy western veichles. Cant they get a better transport chopper for example. As alot of people has said is that mec is a coalition with great powers alot of money because of the oil. They dont deserve geting rubbish.

I support giving teh mecs and plas some new tanks and so on. And their transport chopper must have been made on ww2 artifacts it looks like it anyway.

[Liquid_Cow]

If you really want to go for it, Egypt has 755 M1 Abrams, Kuwait has 218, Suadi Arabia has 315. (IISS Military Balance 2006) Abrams for MEC?

Wow, wouldn't that be a friend or foe nightmare? We'd have problems with the TK kick, hehehe. It would be easy enough for those to get into the wrong hands, but luckily for us spare parts are very unique and within a year or so all those tanks would be out of service.

I like the idea of a mixed army, but due to limitations of the game you couldn't have enough tanks to have a real battle anyway. Besides, nobody in their right mind would take a platoon of T-62's against even a pair of M-1's, which is one of those sacrifices on the Alter of Reality; if we didn't have T-90's on the MEC side there would be way too much of an imbalance in armor to ever overcome. In fact, I would argue the T-90 is too powerfull as it is, IRL the M-1 has nearly double the range and penetration on the main gun along with better frontal armor, which it has to have to compete against the M-1 on a one-for-one basis.

[agentscar]

Onyl people with them anymore is Iran,and they only have 100 of them...

[Gunwing]

Onyl people with them anymore is Iran,and they only have 100 of them...

Thats true. I say you should give the MEC a tank that is a real life middle eastern built and in use tank like the Israel tank that has the rear hatch for the crew to pill out of in the even the tank is lost, and in flames, as well as the fact it's engine is in the front under the heavy armor instead of at the rear where the armor is less potent.

I'll find some info on some tanks here:

Israels current main battle tanks:

Merkava MK4:

Merkava Mk 4

Merkava MK3 BAZ:

Army Technology - Merkava Mk 3 Baz - Main Battle Tank

Irans current main battle tanks:

Zulfiqar 3 and 2 models:

Zulfiqar MBT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMHO both of these would make perfect changes from the current tanks we have. Plus it would give them that Middle Eastern Colition feel that they lack right now. Sure they would find and use the German guns they have now, but as for armor they would take what they have and use that instead of buying new and not yet made for export T-90s that the Russians use now. The only tanks that Russia is exporting is the T-72, T-62, and T55 models. They never have and never will export their T-90 line because it has many of the same ideas that the Western tanks use like the Leapord, and US Abrams tanks.

That and the T-80 was dropped due to bad and faulty design. IE why I will never install the Russian mod as they still run in the old Cold war Way of thinking that the US rocks, and the Russians are still useing old outa date or discontinued weapons, and armor. (It's not the case in real life and I have argued with them over this many times)Another thing people don't get is the Russians are not exporting their new BTR-90s, and the MI-28 Havok only ever had 100 built and placed into service, the rest were dropped when the USSR fell in the 1980s. They still use and export MI-25 Hinds, and MI-24D model equipment, as well as the fact that they don't use the BMP3, and nor do they use the RPG any more. (They have not used the RPG for over 15 years now)

[[T]Terranova7]

Thats true. I say you should give the MEC a tank that is a real life middle eastern built and in use tank like the Israel tank that has the rear hatch for the crew to pill out of in the even the tank is lost, and in flames, as well as the fact it's engine is in the front under the heavy armor instead of at the rear where the armor is less potent.

I'll find some info on some tanks here:

Israels current main battle tanks:

Merkava MK4:

Merkava Mk 4

Merkava MK3 BAZ:

Army Technology - Merkava Mk 3 Baz - Main Battle Tank

Irans current main battle tanks:

Zulfiqar 3 and 2 models:

Zulfiqar MBT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMHO both of these would make perfect changes from the current tanks we have. Plus it would give them that Middle Eastern Colition feel that they lack right now. Sure they would find and use the German guns they have now, but as for armor they would take what they have and use that instead of buying new and not yet made for export T-90s that the Russians use now. The only tanks that Russia is exporting is the T-72, T-62, and T55 models. They never have and never will export their T-90 line because it has many of the same ideas that the Western tanks use like the Leapord, and US Abrams tanks.

Alright... Israel's Merkava tank would not be apart of the MEC. Highly unlikely the Israeli's would be in the MEC (In fact, almost outright impossible). Considering that most of the middle-east would see Israel annihilated (Jewish Nation and Arabics? Think about it).

The T-90 tank has been exported already... didn't you read the thread? You can even find evidence of that on the Army-Technology page. But I think the MEC would be more likely to produce the tanks under license as opposed to buying a whole lot.

[Liquid_Cow]

I actually think that if a MEC were to form IRL you'd get this massive hodge podge of tanks that would be hopelessly outclassed by any western opponent, and completely destroyed in the opening days of GWIII by western air power.

The problem with a MEC, is that like their religion (and partly because of it), it is very difficult for one leader to emerge, everything must be done by consensis, lots of compromises made to keep everyone happy. Nasser of Egypt is often cited as the last great uniter of the arabic world, but even he was not able to pull a coalition together that would defeat Isreal despite outnumbering them 5:1, and ended up loosing the Sinai in the Six Day War.

Even if they were able to pull it together politically, there would be massive problems with logistics to keep those tanks running. When you have a dozen different tanks you need spare guns, spare traks, spare wheels, spare wheel bolts, etc., etc., for each one. Trying to get that exact right part to that one broken down tank in the middle of the dessert is a nightmare and impossible to sustain.

I'm more than happy to sacrifice this one on the Alter of Reality, give the MEC (an extremely unlikely union) tanks good enough to stand a chance against NATO armor.

Now the militia faction on Metista... they need armor, even an old T-65 to counter the Brit's IFV's.