Different MEC weapons for different maps?

[moj]

Is this possible? Let explain what has lead me to ask this. After searching through the forums, I've come to understand that although the devs have set no offical MEC background (AFAIK) there appears to be a consensus amongst members here as to what exactly the MEC is. Most people either seem to imagine it as either a NATO type organisation of Arab countries or something even more united, like a confederacy of states.

This got me thinking that since each nation uses various weapons, would it be feasible to mix things up a bit for certain maps? I mean keep the MEC as it is now, for some or most maps, but maybe something new could be done in the future. Examples -

AK's and RPK's instead of G3's and HK21's. Of the top 7 most populous Arab nations (Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, S. Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Syria respectively) only Saudi Arabia actually uses the G3, none of them use the HK21 (S. Arabia uses the MG3 in that role to my knowledge). The rest use AKM's and RPK's, usually state produced or Chinese made. Also, it'd be nice to see MEC using the Steyr AUG too on some maps, since the Saudis are using it to phase out the G3, as well as Oman already using it as it's main service rifle (along with a British built Minimi for the AR role). The Aussies already seem to be working hard, getting a AUG sorted for their mod, this could be tweaked for an Arab version.

U.S. and British vehicles against their makers. Egypt has more than 200 F-16's (world's 4th largest user), as well as 36 AH-64D Apache's and over 1,000 M1A1 Abrams MBT's (over 100 to be upgraded to M1A2 by 2009). Saudi Arabia has 12 AH-64D's, over 150 F-15's (C, D and S), 72 Eurofighter Typoons on order, British Tornados, Blackhawks, over 300 M1A2's, over 1500 LAV III's and hundreds of HMMWV's. There's also the UAE which fields the F-16, Oman also fields the F-16 as well as the Challenger 2 MBT and Piranha LAV and Jordan with F-16's, AH-1 Cobras and British Challenger 1's. Finally there's Kuwait with 16 AH-64D's, 39 F/A-18 Hornets, over 200 M1 Abrams (not sure what subfix) and over 250 Desert Warriors.

I think it'd be very intersting to have Abrams vs Abrams, Apache vs. Apache or F-16 vs F-16. The only problem that I can think of thouogh is sourcing of parts, since the U.S. obviously wouldn't supply an army it's at war against or even just a political foe of, such as Venezuela or Iran (F-16 and F-14 respectively).

[bosco_]

The G3 and it's family are here to stay.

[Outlawz7]

I think the RPK74 should be an alternative Insurgent support weapon next to the PKM.

[moj]

Okay fair enough, I just really have trouble imagining such a coalition adopting the G3 as it's primary main service rifle.

Would be nice to see insurgents with RPK's as suggested by Outlawz though.

[77SiCaRiO77]

The G3 and it's family are here to stay.

he isnt asking for removing the g3 (witch is realistic) , he is asking for adding diferent MEC weapons for diferent maps .

[moj]

Thanks 77SiCaRiO77, yep that's all I'm saying It'd be nice to see one or two maps where the MEC use AK's and its variants (with and without optics), with the rest retaining the G3 and HK21 (though a MG3 would be pretty awesome).

I'd also like to add a correction to my original post, Sudan does in fact produce the G3 under license. I'll also add, since someone else posssibly will anyway, that it's used by the Kuwaiti army and in small numbers by the Lebanese army too, although these are pretty insignificant armies in this sense.

[Maxfragg]

but it would be totaly unrealistc, that one army uses a G3 and a AK, the only possible adition could be a HK33 (5.56mm variant of the G3/the HK53 is the compact version of this)

[[uBp]Irish]

g3 is probably one of the worst infantry rifles in game. i'd vote for its removal and addition of the new AK's that maybe the russians would use, or the next generation before that.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

I love this situation becuase all the main assault and battle rifles in PR are portrayed pretty damn realistically.

Therefore complaints in regard to a weapon now, are complaints mainly about the RL design, rather than the PR portrayal.

The G3 is an outdated weapon in RL due to the high recoil of the round it fires and compartively large and more importantly heavy wight of the round it fires, which limits the total number of rounds that an soldier can carry.

But this is the very reason i love it, it is different enough to provide a welcome break when playing all the other armies, always firing a lesser recoil and power round but not so totally awful(G3), that killing is all that that much harder.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

I love this situation becuase all the main assault and battle rifles in PR are portrayed pretty damn realistically.

Therefore complaints in regard to a weapon now, are complaints mainly about the RL design, rather than the PR portrayal.

The G3 is an outdated weapon in RL due to the high recoil of the round it fires and compartively large and more importantly heavy wight of the round it fires, which limits the total number of rounds that an soldier can carry.

But this is the very reason i love it, it is different enough to provide a welcome break when playing all the other armies, always firing a lesser recoil and power round but not so totally awful(G3), that killing is all that that much harder.

Do all those that complain about the G3 realise this - G3 is like that in RL - and - change it to G36, AK and all the guns in the game will feel the same.

Difference makes life interesting, dont be dull!

[77SiCaRiO77]

but it would be totaly unrealistc, that one army uses a G3 and a AK, the only possible adition could be a HK33 (5.56mm variant of the G3/the HK53 is the compact version of this)

not really , a lot of armys in the world use diferent rifles for diferent asituations , most sudamerican countrys use mix of fals , aks and m16s , for diferent situations/zones (desert/jumgle/urban/mountains) , also , as the OP already said , ME countrys are dominated by ak's mostly , havinga huge army maded of diferent nations , each one with his own rifle , is realistic .

finaly , only iran , saudid arabia (<- this one replacing it) and tukey i guess use g3 , and Ho! sorpay , iran is not arab (no MEC) , saudid arabia is american allied (same as turkey) therefor , no MEC .

[Expendable Grunt]

Why do people keep insisting that all Arabs use AK's?

[77SiCaRiO77]

tell me how many arab countrys , not american allieds , use aks and how many dont use them .

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

its been suggested before, but it would be totaly realistic to provide the MEC team with a 1 limited or unlimited whose main weapon is 9mm submachine gun and is not a crewman.

The British did it when they had the FN FAL (very similar to G3), equipping some front line soldiers with the Sterlin 9mm Subm.

[Morgan]

I would sooner like to see the unlock system used to its full potential in insurgency

That is an amazing idea!! Why haven't you posted this before jonny? Never thought of that. AK-47's, FN FAL's and maybe AK-74u's as war veteran rifles? That'd be awesome, imagine the diversity you could gain.

[moj]

I don't see how it would be so unrealistic, in an irregular type of army formed from the armies of various countries (as the MEC is), some using different rifles. Such an army would be organised into divisons, each division belonging to it's own specific originating country and thus fielding the rifle/automatic rifle or what ever of that country.

Otherwise it's like saying, well the Arab countries of the Middle East joined together, scrapped all their AKs even though this is by far the most issued rifle amongst them and reissued G3s to all it's troops instead. This would all of course, be done at immense cost and be a tremendous waste of resources.

[moj]

Why do people keep insisting that all Arabs use AK's?

They don't, just the majority (the Arabs that is).

Egypt has easily the largest army of any Arab country and it's in the Middle East. Guess what their primary service rifle is.

To be honest I'm wondering if just creating new voices (in Farsi), for the MEC troops wouldn't be the most realistic option of all or do they look too Arab?

[[uBp]Irish]

That is an amazing idea!! Why haven't you posted this before jonny? Never thought of that. AK-47's, FN FAL's and maybe AK-74u's as war veteran rifles? That'd be awesome, imagine the diversity you could gain.

afaik, the unlock system, to be viable requires that you play an account that has a rank from vBF2 (unless they have gotten around it). Furthermore, you have to have a high enough rank that you have the basic unlocks from vBF2 to use all the kits in PR and their unlocks. EoD had an unlock system, however like i said, you have to be high enough that you have to have atleast one unlock in every weapon slot (sniper/specops/assault/support/medic/at/engy). Now that PR uses different basic kit setups than the standard, i'm not sure how it would work.

[supahpingi]

Irish;643698']afaik, the unlock system, to be viable requires that you play an account that has a rank from vBF2 (unless they have gotten around it). Furthermore, you have to have a high enough rank that you have the basic unlocks from vBF2 to use all the kits in PR and their unlocks. EoD had an unlock system, however like i said, you have to be high enough that you have to have atleast one unlock in every weapon slot (sniper/specops/assault/support/medic/at/engy). Now that PR uses different basic kit setups than the standard, i'm not sure how it would work.

Some bf2 demo servers had all weapons unlocked for everyone,but that might be hacked/cracked.
but there are also mods that unlock stuff iirc