MBT main gun accuracy.

[Dempsey]

I've had this problem many a time, your there, a target comes into view, not at a massive range, but amedium range, you aim a precise shot at it, and the shell Totally misses! i had this a few times today with both HEAT and Sabo in a abrahams. Any explination? It's also a suggestion to fix it, because its INCREDIBLY! anoying when that hostile tank go's 'O' what was that, turns its turret and now your dead.

Its bad enough without 'fire on the move' capability.

[[uBp]Irish]

I've had the same trouble too. More or less though it happens to me at extremely far ranges. Usually the most in a Abrams for some reason. I'll be lookin at him, he'll be at about 100-50 meters from being outside of clip range, and i'll fire, and it'll just pass right over his head.

Slight deviation at long range i guess, cause usualy that's when its the worst. Other than that, my gunnery skills are usually pretty good.


Offtopic: Shot a challenger today on Quin with 5 sabot rounds. 2 in the side skirts, 1 in the back, and 2 in the turret and it managed to kill us in 3.... challengers to get some HP/Armor reevaluation please.

[DeadboyUSMC]

^ It's a bug, and it being looked into. Both tanks have the same amount of hit points, it's just that the Challenger has whacky hit boxes or something.

[Viper5]

Irish;649818']I've had the same trouble too. More or less though it happens to me at extremely far ranges. Usually the most in a Abrams for some reason. I'll be lookin at him, he'll be at about 100-50 meters from being outside of clip range, and i'll fire, and it'll just pass right over his head.

Slight deviation at long range i guess, cause usualy that's when its the worst. Other than that, my gunnery skills are usually pretty good.


Offtopic: Shot a challenger today on Quin with 5 sabot rounds. 2 in the side skirts, 1 in the back, and 2 in the turret and it managed to kill us in 3.... challengers to get some HP/Armor reevaluation please.

lmao that was me. I had no clue what was going on.

[Teek]

Also, on the topic of armour guns, has anyone noticed the warrior turret swings the opposite direction as the body in a turn?

[[uBp]Irish]

say what?!

[Alan]

If the M1 is missing at really long ranges, it's probably realistic (at least to a degree). The M1 has a smoothbore barrel as opposed to a rifled one like the C2 (Not sure about the MEC/Chinese tanks). While you get a greater muzzle velocity from a smoothbore barrel, it's less acurate -the M1 repeatedly missing at long range is probably designed to simulate this (I'm just having an educated guess..)

As to the issue of impossible to destroy Challengers, it's because the fuel barrels on the rear are treated as "hard" armour rather than "soft" armour (like the rest of the rear of the C2)

The Warrior thing is news to me though...

[bondsan]

^ It's a bug, and it being looked into. Both tanks have the same amount of hit points, it's just that the Challenger has whacky hit boxes or something.

the challenger also have chobbam armor and a rifled barrel for accuracy so personally i think it should be tougher and more accurate as it really is

[[uBp]Irish]

5 shots vs. the traditional 2 shots to take out anything in PR is a little extreme though..

[kilroy0097]

All the tanks are different in all types of ways.
Personally I believe the Abrams and the Challenger should be about the same in difficulty to take them out and fire accuracy. They are both 1st world, 1st class weapon platforms. The MEC use older Russian tanks and hence have outdated technology and so should perform as such. And the poor Militia troops get the worst tank which makes sense.

Give that MEC tanks are worse than Challenger tanks... why do the MEC get less tanks in Oilfield maps?

[Dempsey]

The MEC use older Russian tanks and hence have outdated technology and so should perform as such. And the poor Militia troops get the worst tank which makes sense.

Sorry mate, but they don't. The T-90s is one of the best tanks in the world, designed upon the tried and tested base of the T-64 series.

However and this is a big however. I find this game is trying to prioratise the armour of these MBT's. Look, they have good armour and such, but most 120 and 125mm guns can do a huge amount of damage even to british chob armour and certainly abrahams depleted uranium, more than likely one or 2 hits is going to knock out any of these tanks.

Its comes down to crew training, and i think this game should focus more on that, its the crew which makes a tank, look at the Pakistan-Indi war, good trained pakistani crews in outdated t-55's and so on, took out their superior modern soviet armour supplied to the Indians, same with the syrians, just two examples.

Many a time I've tanken out tanks easily with one flanking manouver (not boasting here) and it can be frustrating when you have to plough more 4 shells in it, it just dosent add up.

Demps

[Waaah_Wah]

The MEC use older Russian tanks and hence have outdated technology and so should perform as such.

Since when is T90 old or outdated??

[Deadfast]

The MEC use older Russian tanks and hence have outdated technology and so should perform as such.

Sorry mate, but T-90 is actually newer than most of Abrams' parts

[Outlawz7]

the challenger also have chobbam armor and a rifled barrel for accuracy so personally i think it should be tougher and more accurate as it really is

Shuuut up!!!!!!!

Must. Not. Go. Insaaaneee...

they are the same

the diffrence is a small col issue with a big patch of the back armor, using the material thats only meant to go on the front armor which means if you hit this spot, you might as well just hit him right on his hardest point on the front where the other tanks have a *** thats much more venerable. Hope to fix this for .8 thou cant garentee it, would need a reimport.

[DirtyHarry88]

I've never had a problem with accuracy in any of the tank guns.

[zangoo]

If the M1 is missing at really long ranges, it's probably realistic (at least to a degree). The M1 has a smoothbore barrel as opposed to a rifled one like the C2 (Not sure about the MEC/Chinese tanks). While you get a greater muzzle velocity from a smoothbore barrel, it's less acurate -the M1 repeatedly missing at long range is probably designed to simulate this (I'm just having an educated guess..

you dont need to spin a sabot, it has fins, you only need to spin something that doesnt fly straight on its own, this is why missiles dont spin in the air, they have the fins and this keeps them straight/turns them.

[kilroy0097]

T-72 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought the MEC tanks were the T-72? It just seems to look more like it than the T-90.

But regardless something tells me that the MEC training might be a small step worse than the training on US or British MBTs.

[Masaq]

Why would MEC training be any worse than US or GB?

As I understand it, the chief factors influencing training for MBT crews are:

-Space to train in (hard in most areas of Western Europe without damaging crops; easy in the desert)
-Fuel (MEC has plenty of that)
-Time (You gotta assume that prior to the conflicts in PR, they had time to train)
-Commanders' willingness to let troops train (Again, an assumption but I'd guess MEC would be keen on making good use of those T-90s).

I see no reason at all the MEC couldn't have perfectly well-trained MBT operator; and given the fact that no-one can say for sure who forms the MEC, it's entirely possible that MEC tank unit commander have previously had training in the UK; not at all unknown for Saudis to come train at Sandhurst, for example

[kilroy0097]

Alright then if that's so. There is absolutely no reason why any MBT, with the exception of the old Militia tank, should be any less lethal than any other and hence take the exact same amount of hits and in general the same to use. We could argue design characteristics of each and the technology in each and how they effect handling and weapon systems and the such but I'm not a military expert in that field.

So from a game perspective should there be any difference, other than appearance, between the M1 Abram, the Challenger 2 and the T-90 (If the MEC do in fact use the T-90 and not the T-72)?

[[uBp]Irish]

What about the chinese tank. when i played with it on Quin, i had no trouble 2-3 shotting a challenger, but then this one comes along and takes 5 shots and he downs me in 2... so if its hit box detection or armor plating on gas tanks, something needs to be reevaluated.