SMG for unscoped rifleman

[nedlands1]

I think a rational solution would be some kind of aimpoint, with no x4 zoom, but just a better field of view.

...mongol...

On a...?

[Thermis]

I agree with an aim point. Most guys in Iraq have aim points so it would be realistic. Instead of the iron sites on the basic rifleman you could have an aim point.

[kilroy0097]

Anyone here military personnel that has seen combat in Iraq or any real world conflict and can even realistically comment on CQC in an urban or forest setting? Until then I'll just rely on the default and not speculate nor assume that one gun would be better than another in CQC. Do I think iron sights are better in CQC, probably because you have no constriction of vision like you would with a scope. However neither matters if you are shooting from the hip in a surprise situation. Would full auto help? Certainly but I am not aware of regulars that have full auto capability. I believe only Special forces have that sort of leeway on ammunition expenditure. However that's only from what I've read.

[Thermis]

I am in the military I speak from my own personal experience and from what I have been told by front line troops.

[Mongolian_dude]

On a...?

Probably should have given away more of the sentence and we would have got the joke .

Rail? God knows, I aint no gun expert, and I sure dont feel uninformed for not being one. Maybe one day if i join the military, ill care

...mongol...

[Viper5]

I'm certain that the Marines, at least during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, used (burst) M4s alongside the M16. I don't know about the other branches, but I'm pretty sure that the Marines still use both weapons on the platoon level, if not the squad level. (My primary source for all this is One Bullet Away, a fantastic read by Nathaniel Fick.)

Moving on, I'd be willing to bend reality for gameplay's sake if I were the one to make a decision such as this. Once reality is bent and the decision is made, though, what SMGs/carbines will be used? The Brits really don't have anything right now - maybe they could use the MP5N/HK53A3 until that SA80 SMG (forget the name) is implemented.

Keep in mind those were Force Recon Marines. Marines in general use M16A4s.

WRT Aimpoints, I believe the plan for the US Army is that the basic rifle (Engineer, Medic, Unscoped Rifleman, etc. etc.) will receive a M4 w/ M68 CCO, while the scoped will the the M4+ACOG.

Anyway, with regard to the original post until/unless weapons have collision detection, it really doesnt matter.

[CAS_117]

I'd take a scope over ammunition expenditure. And scopes are better in CQB anyways, you can aim for their head when they're prone, and you can get 2x more ammo into him.

[nedlands1]

Probably should have given away more of the sentence and we would have got the joke .

Rail? God knows, I aint no gun expert, and I sure dont feel uninformed for not being one. Maybe one day if i join the military, ill care

...mongol...

On a... SMG of some description, carbine of some description or on a battle rifle of some description? FYI, the G3A3 doesn't have a rail. It has a claw mount. Having said that, there are some after-market Picatinny rails which fit on the the claw mount.

[Mongolian_dude]

On a... SMG of some description, carbine of some description or on a battle rifle of some description? FYI, the G3A3 doesn't have a rail. It has a claw mount. Having said that, there are some after-market Picatinny rails which fit on the the claw mount.

MEC heads are hypothetical anyway.
Im sure the one thing all 'those' countries could produce themselves is a nice little aimpoint that somehow sticks on basic G3

but yeah, I meant the aimpoint for the BR/ARs and Carbines too.
Then again, the MEC could use a different weapon altogether.
They could use an AK101 or something more suitable, since they get their gear from a variety of sources.
I wouldnt think all SF units having aimpoints would be a bad thing.


...mongol...

[DavidP]

No. This would never work. Unless the Devs created a special Faction only request kit for each side, Say something like a Point Man kit.

Keep the Standard Rifleman Kit, Remove the Ammo bag and Give either a Shotty or SMG.

Like M1014 for USMC and UK, MP5 for MEC, Nor or Type 85 for PLA, And Saiga for Militia.

[Clypp]

Navy SEALS use MP-5Ns in ship, rig, etc fights to prevent as harmful of ricochets. A rifle or carbine is preferred when dealing with any range or enemies wearing body armor.

[Maxfragg]

or, you use a P-90 or a MP7 in close combat against bodyarmor, since they have a quite good penetration

[Spec]

But are way too expensive for regular MEC troops i think. And the others dont use it.

The MEC is fictional enough to give them an SMG. And yes, you can use the crewmankit. Thats what made me think about that at first. The unscoped G3 is sexy, but not really so effective, thats why i think the MEC could have two "extreme" rifleman classes. G3A3 with scope for damn long range, MP5 for damn close quarters. MP5 fits in the G3 series perfectly, is not expensive and already unlimited in game.

[Maxfragg]

oh man, please give up the argument that anything is too expensive for MEC, they have oil => nothing is too expensive for them

[Spec]

Compared to an MP5 i mean. They probably could start producing P90's for every single soldier, but the result probably wouldnt be worth it.

I mean, the Marines could use something else than the M16's, but they dont.

[Maxfragg]

okay, thats right sorry when i missunderstood you, but its just happening to often that people think the MEC could not afford the one or the other thing

[KP]

On a... SMG of some description, carbine of some description or on a battle rifle of some description? FYI, the G3A3 doesn't have a rail. It has a claw mount. Having said that, there are some after-market Picatinny rails which fit on the the claw mount.

Or you could do like the Norwegian Army:

[DeltaFart]

Id say if anything give them a carbine, maybe the G3K, with, people would assume the carbine is short ranged, but its still a 7.62 Nato round, so it still has some zip to it. With ironsights, it would still be able to go out to moderate ranges, maybe not the full range of the scoped, but still far.

[nedlands1]

Or you could do like the Norwegian Army:

Guess that means your work is cut out for you then?

EDIT: Love how the Norwegians keep those backups sights. I wonder how well the modern scopes deal with the cold.

[Chuc]

Holy smokes, now that's a G3.